Jeh Johnson: Gun control is now a matter of homeland security

Good grief.

So basically ... "We're not going to do anything about the population that's committing these attacks, if anything we're going to coddle them and allow even more of them to come over and screen them even less than we did this guy who was practically a cop. We're going to [try] to disarm everyone else though".

He's the Democrat appointee head of the biggest boondoggle government agency in the history of the nation. What do you expect him to say?

I'm interested to see how 'conservatives' will react to calls for gun control from this perspective. "It's a matter of national security! Don't let terrorists get their hands on guns!" :banghead:

How is disarming this nation going to protect us against terrorism?
Absolute garbage

Odd the local police home in on this:

http://www.king5.com/news/local/seattle-police-standoff-in-greenwood/244193800

But seem powerless on a deadly crime.

True, I didn't mean it that way - of course if he threatened it - point being that the Orlando killer went way beyond that before he killed. Bought guns, and committed the crime.

Think I will order a few more AR kits and build out some more rifles.

Well, it was only a matter of time before we saw an unholy merger between the "if it saves one life" gun control crowd, and the "I'll give you my last freedom for an ounce of promised safety" national security crowd. Maybe this will be the nucleus for a reorganization of the political parties into a true freedom-minded faction...and the fearful busy-bodies. Can't say I believe democracy will be kind to the former in the end, but at least we'd make the news occasionally.

*Doug
You have no idea how ticked I am at all this; here I've been willfully dragging my feat in getting into the AR game, since I really don't care at all for the platform. However, through no fault of my own, I've gradually accumulated enough random bits, that the pending panic has forced my hand and compelled me to spend a small sum to actually complete a rifle. I feel like I need a shower, same as when I first built an AK

TCB

The AMA is jumping into this also.

They will declare that gun violence is a public health emergency.

Get ready folks, it is coming at us from all sides.

Finally, someone brought up that most awful phrase, "If it just saves one life". Hey, let's require every living person in the country to carry a gun at all times -- after all, "it might just save one life". The list of things we could prohibit because "it might just save one life" is utterly endless.

On the positive side, gun control is now THE election year issue --just as we've always wanted.

Scary as it might be, this issue is getting settled, one way or the other, and probably dramatically. This may very well be the last Banic for generations.

Obama said this on the BBC

In an interview with Britain’s BBC, President Obama said that Americans having guns and observing their Second Amendment rights is far worse than Muslim terrorism.

In the interview Obama lamented that he has not been able to put an end to the Second Amendment and noted that Americans are worse than terrorists.


http://endingthefed.com/obama-says-americans-having-guns-is-worse-than-islamic-terrorism.html


Homeland security American's SS


Their making a big push before election . Watch Mc Connell fold to Obama big time when pressed.

Very interesting. The founding fathers gave us the 2nd amendment to protect us from the government. Now the government is trying to dilute or remove the 2nd amendment to "protect us".

"We need to disarm you to better protect you".

No thanks Jeh.

I guess he wants us to be more like France.

Paris attacks: More than 120 killed in concert hall siege, bombings and shootings; suspected terrorists dead

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-14/paris-attacks-120-dead-in-shootings-explosions/6940722

Everyone knows, the only way to defend against evil men intent on murdering you is to disarm yourself...sheesh...

I can only imagine that if the 160+ people in that club had all been armed, the outcome would have been a lot different.

Of course, a bunch of people mixing with alcohol would probably result in a few shootings on an individual basis now and then. (As long as I am speculating, I might as well look at the down side, also.)

Of course, Florida law prohibits carrying a firearm where alcohol is served. That made Pulse a target-rich, gun free zone. No need to pass nationwide gun control to facilitate mass murder.

The point I am trying to make is that disarming our Nation is an unrealistically simplistic solution and arming everyone is also unrealistically simplistic.

H. L. Mencken probabaly said it best, "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."

Lost Sheep

It's true that none of the patrons of the club were armed, due to the prohibition of carrying in an enterprise whose income is mostly derived from the sale of alcoholic beverages.

But I'm also struck that apparently nobody tried to do anything to the gunman. The guys on the train in France weren't armed either, but that didn't stop them. Ditto for the guys on the one plane on 9/11, who got together and at least forced the plane to crash where no potential victims were on the ground. Not sure what to think about this beyond what I could try to do if G-d forbid in a similar circumstance.

old lady new shooter said:

But I'm also struck that apparently nobody tried to do anything to the gunman. The guys on the train in France weren't armed either, but that didn't stop them.

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I would chalk it up to different circumstances. IIRC, the gunman on the train was trying to clear a stoppage, and also had no room to maneuver or retreat because of the layout of the train car. The guys on the train were able to essentially corner him and overpower him.

When a shooter is running amok in a crowd, everybody is going be stampeding away from him. In that scenario, you pretty much have to run with the crowd or get trampled. It makes it that much harder to try any kind of attack on the shooter.

I have to correct what I wrote before. Although nobody appears to have tried to rush the gunman, one fine young man did save at least 60 people by opening a door so they could run away, see
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/sto...s-during-orlando-nightclub-shooting/85860320/

I would like to address toivo's post but don't want to engage in thread drift. I'll open a thread in Strategies and Tactics.

Johnson is deflecting from the fact that he isn’t doing his job! With all that is known so far on Mateen (wife beater, interviewed by FBI, travel to Saudi Arabia, anti-American Afghani father, co-worker complaints, etc), the fact that he wasn’t being watched is appalling. Hmmm? This seems somewhat similar to the San Bernadino shooters but they weren’t as far out as Mateen was. Clearly Johnson is not doing his job and is deflecting to save his own butt.

I’m going to email my congressman and senators and demand Johnson’s replacement and to hold firm on protecting our second amendment rights. Heck, I'm even going to send a few more dollars to the NRA-ILA. I'd like to hear others' ideas for protecting our second amendment rights given Johnson's ineptitude so please chime in.