Dallas Mayor Making Noise About Doing Away With Open Carry

He's a Democrat, wasn't ever for it or our right to CC. As they have learned they don't disarm us in one step but take many. He would like to take one of those steps. As all the steps we have been taking have been pro gun in Texas. We don't have two or 3 cities running our State like NY does for example.

Twenty to 30 of the marchers showed up with AR-15s and other types of military-style rifles and wore them openly, with the straps slung across their shoulders and backs.

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The fact that there were that many and no one did anything wrong with them is counter to the oppositions argument, not to mention open carry of long guns has been legal all along the only thing they changed recently was the open carry of handguns, since before the Mayor was born or his Father was born.

Well, I'm not opposed to open carry, but if I had been in the demonstration and I was open carrying, when the shooting started I'd have a) concealed the weapon (assuming I had a permit), b)placed it on the ground, covered it with a coat, and stood on it until I could surrender it safely, or c) gotten it back to my car, or d)gone the other direction with the weapon held as non-threateningly as I possibly could as fast as I possibly could. T

The danger of police or someone thinking you might be involved is quite real at that point, principles or not. I like to think I'd support my princples to the bitter end, but I'm not going to do it in front of panicked bystanders and police.

I mean, there's such a thing as suicide by cop, and then there's this other thing called stupid suicide by cop.

20 or 30 protesters carrying ARs? I thought there was one.

The Austin COP, Art Acevado, made the comment, the type of person willing to open carry a rifle in the city limits is not the type of person who I think should have a gun in the first place, earlier.

jdh said:

The Austin COP, Art Acevado, made the comment, the type of person willing to open carry a rifle in the city limits is not the type of person who I think should have a gun in the first place, earlier.

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He's a west coast asshat!

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I support the RKBA.

That said, when in the city and surrounded on all sides by metrotwits and hoplophobes, "discretion is the better part of valor".

This is when one carries concealed "permitted".

20 or 30 protesters carrying ARs? I thought there was one.

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I can't find any pictures of these protesters.

Ditto on what Coop45 said.

He full of hot air.

Actually, from what I've read, they were fine. I'm not a fan of open carry, but I find taking advantage of a situation like this to promote your anti-gun agenda repulsive. He notes he owns a shotgun, as if that gives him some extra credibility to revoke an existing law.

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I'm very pro open carry, however, using a situation like the Dallas shooting is probably as close to a logical argument against it as you can get. Fire a few rounds, duck into the crowd and sling your rifle.

In any case, I hope the push to ban open carry fails and I wish more people would do it. Show the average citizen a ton of everyday, normal people with guns who are doing nothing wrong.

Fire a few rounds, duck into the crowd and sling your rifle.

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As opposed to firing a few rounds from a handgun then dropping it in your pocket?

You oblivious geniuses can give each other feel-good, placatory pats on the back till the cows come home, but that won't change the reality of what's actually coming down on all our heads.
WAKE UP !!!!!!! :banghead:

Coop45 said:

He's a west coast asshat!

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You are just being kind.

Austin should secede from Texas.

I have to say when I see a guy walking around town with a rifle particularly a rifle that is not on a sling I am watching that carefully and wondering if it comes to it the best way to take him. I think most people who carry are like that. Its such a potential threat there is no other way to look at it. If you are walking along and someone starts following with a long gun you are going to worry about it. If you eating somewhere and a guy enters with a long gun I'm thinking active shooter. So when you start walking around carrying a long gun what you have done is to get people thinking about how to kill you. Seems like bad judgment to me. There are things that are legal that are just a bad idea.

JohnBiltz said:

I have to say when I see a guy walking around town with a rifle particularly a rifle that is not on a sling I am watching that carefully and wondering if it comes to it the best way to take him. I think most people who carry are like that. Its such a potential threat there is no other way to look at it. If you are walking along and someone starts following with a long gun you are going to worry about it. If you eating somewhere and a guy enters with a long gun I'm thinking active shooter. So when you start walking around carrying a long gun what you have done is to get people thinking about how to kill you. Seems like bad judgment to me. There are things that are legal that are just a bad idea.

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I wonder,
how long would you still have that fear if you were to see, say, an average of 10 people a day for the rest of your life open carrying rifles around town without causing anyone any harm?
Law of averages says you would could go the rest of your life seeing open carriers every day without coming across one of the fraction of a percent that are carrying because they intend to cause harm.

The Austin COP, Art Acevado, made the comment, the type of person willing to open carry a rifle in the city limits is not the type of person who I think should have a gun in the first place, earlier.

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No, he doesn't deserve to have "Austin" associated with his name; he is forever Art Acevedo, LAPD, as far as I'm concerned.

Honestly, given how he runs the APD, I'm amazed they aren't having "troubles" of their own involving these BLM terrorists already.

So when you start walking around carrying a long gun what you have done is to get people thinking about how to kill you.

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Exactly, literally no different than a pistol. If it's in your hands, it's use must be assumed to be imminent, there is no other logical response. While it's possible to carry a pistol around in your hands without getting shot, you have to be very deliberate and clear and predictable in your actions to avoid a response. A rifle is no different.

Slung on the back, holstered in a scabbard; no problems, clearly nothing is doing. In your hands, "low ready," or some even closer step to firing position, those around you no longer have the luxury of enough time to analyze your intentions before you potentially attack them, hence their very defensive reaction. Slung on the back or chest w/ hands off is what I understand most all of these carriers in rallies are doing (if nothing else because it is more convenient). Anything involving your hands is "playing with it" in my estimation, and it isn't appreciated any more than it is with a pistol.

TCB

Open carrying a long gun around town is just stupid. There are a butt load of videos on YouTube of these "just became legal" kids posing as activists that do nothing but waste LE resources. If they were really pro 2A they would realize there are better ways.

I'm all for folks that want to OC, but that is generally a pistol on your hip. OC'ing a long gun in general is silly, and doing so at any kind of organized "protest" is just asking for trouble.


It's too bad common sense is lost on this country as a whole....

The Mayor wants to eat his cake asn still have it, too.

A. Texas has preemption, cities are not allowed enact stricter laws than the State allows. So, he cannot post a 30.07 sign for the whole City.

B. Texas has no law restricting the carry of long arms other than into government buildings with security (post offices, courthouses, airports, etc.) The Legislature will not meet for another 12-13 months, and they are unlikely to gin up a brand new State law just for the Mayor of Dallas. (Texas has 254 counties; only about 19 million live in the 10 major metro areas out of 25 million--totally unlike Chicago to Illinios, or NYC to NY).

The Mayor can whistle for all his bluster is worth. (He needs to listen more to his CoP.)

I live in Arizona, I see more open carry hand guns than most. I generally see one if I am out and about. That doesn't bother me. A long gun slung over the back is fine. But slung with a friction strap or something where it is available or even worse carried in the hands makes me pay attention. A hand gun in some one's hand is different than in a holster. The old saying is be polite to everyone and have a plan to kill everyone in the room". I'm not that far gone but a long gun in the hands makes me start watching and planning. That doesn't make me anti-gun, it makes me prepared and I think smart. I doubt I am alone in this. If you think walking around in a manner that has a number of armed people you don't know are armed thinking about how to shoot you is a good idea I disagree. And there are a lot of armed people you don't know in Arizona.

Open carrying a long gun around town is just stupid. There are a butt load of videos on YouTube of these "just became legal" kids posing as activists that do nothing but waste LE resources. If they were really pro 2A they would realize there are better ways.

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There may be better ways (or not), but they aren't the only ways.

I'm all for folks that want to OC, ...

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By your previous statement, I am not sure you are. You seem to be pro open carry only if it is done in the manner that you approve. That isn't really supportive.

Although with respect to handguns I personally think concealed carry is better, I understand the arguments of the open carry proponents. But I would like to hear the reasoning behind carrying a long gun in a city environment, other than "because I can", i.e. to make a statement that we have the RKBA.