Rossi 92 range report

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kyron4

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Well, after getting some feedback and reading up on lever rifles, I went with the Rossi 92 in 357/38 16" rifle. Out the door for $500, I must say I have no regrets. The action was much smoother out of the box than I had expected. I disassembled the whole rifle and sprayed down all metal with carb cleaner and blew out with compressed air till dry. Then with CLP followed by air, I reassembled and used a dab of white lithium grease on all bearing surfaces. I didn't file, stone or sand anything. The bolt has plenty of "play" in the receiver, like a well used 1911 or AK47. The rifle was now even slicker and smoother. After about 200 dry cycles it was slick as could be, easily cycled with one finger. Trigger pull came in at 4 3/4 lbs., just right for this type of rifle IMHO.

At the range I ran 50 rds. of PMC 130 gr, RN FMJ 38 spec. with 100% feeding and 50 rds. of Perfecta 158 FN FMJ, again with 100% feeding. Ejection was very strong , empties going straight up 4 feet or so , a few falling on my head. At 50 yds. with my 40+ year eyes I managed 2" groups with the 357 and 3" to 3 1/2" with the 38. With the rear sight set on the second step it shot a few inches high with 357 and a few inches low with the 38's. My plan now it to refinish the wood with some BLO and file down the "horns" off the buckhorn rear sight. My 10 year old is going to love this rifle, the 38's were like 22 mags and even the 357's felt very mild. I don't know why I waited so long to get into the lever game, this is one fun rifle.
 
You're shooting round nose ammo in a tubular magazine???? Make sure you put both fingers in your ears while shooting! :)
I load one at a time in my Rossi to be safe.
 
The RN 38 Special "probably" (in quotes/italicized/underlined) doesn't generate enough recoil to set off a primer in a tube stack.....

But..... :eek:

Right after not doing it at all, I'd even more probably not do it w/ FMJs.
 
kyron4

Good range report! My Rossi Model 92 (.45 Colt), was also very slick and good to go right out of the box. Love the short 16" barrel too; very handy and quick and easy to get it on target.

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I have the EMF Hartford version in 45LC, 24" octagonal barrel. One of my favourite guns. As a bonus, the wife loves to shoot it! Accurate as the shooter, and a boatload of fun at the range.

I've had it for almost ten years, just did my very first full teardown-clean-reassemble. You could have grown corn in the crap that was buried in the bottom of the receiver; it was filthy. (Unique is almost like shooting black powder).

There are some good vids for doing this on the YouToobs. If you're mechanically inclined at all, don't let it intimidate you. I won't kid you, the process took me a while, but I think it's great to learn how your guns operate/go together.
 
I like mine a lot, Its amazing to see what the cartridge can do over a chronograph, especially when you use lilgun behind the bullet!

after loading say 500 or so rounds, the loading gate got much easier to shove rounds in. The first couple hundred were a real pain in the booty to load and really got my thumbs sore.

I do find that I will get some hangups when cycling 357 cases that don't have any roll crimp. I don't have to worry about having a good roll crimp on 38spl rounds, they will cycle fine with a straight case mouth but the 357 case mouth will catch the top of the chamber if I don't have a moderate roll crimp on em.
 
My 92 Rossi 357 rifle's loading gate was horribly stiff...so much so it made it very difficult to load the otherwise fine rifle, so I took it apart and tried bending the spring back a little to weaken it. SNAP! That sucker was SO hard it just snapped in my hands. DARN! But I ordered a replacement from Numrich Arms for the Winchester 92 and with a little careful filing and fitting it's in there working just fine.:) I'd say that the Rossi 92 is a pretty good copy of the orginal rifles if spare parts will fit in it. Nice little rifles!
 
I researched and asked around and could not find one single documented case where a RN FMJ 38 caused a magazine to blow up. I would think in this sue happy world if it was remotely possiable, there would be a warning lable on the ammo box as to state NOT to shoot them in lever guns. Even plated bullets like 9mm Blazers have warnings about not to fire them in ported barrels. I plan on pulling a bullet and resting it on a empty primed case and hitting the bullet with a ball peen hammer , like a punch, to see if it's even possiable under the most unlikely conditions. I would think if dropping them down the mag tube of a Henry doesn't set them off then recoil surely isn't going to. Any thoughts?
 
I think you are right. I have never heard of a .38 Special chain fire in a tube mag.


It is kind of like the Makarov floating firing pin that could theoretically fire a round if dropped under perfect conditions... but it never happens.



I'll admit it does cross my mind when I load certain FMJ that has a bit of a pointy tip (Armscor comes to mind). Past that, I don't worry about it.
 
The rimmed .38 laying in the magazine tube isn't going to be exactly square and will tend to be nose down at an angle. So (like the Lebel) the tip of the bullet isn't likely to be anywhere near the primer on the next round and even if it would be....the rounded nose isn't going to crush the pellet hard enough to fire it. I've got some FMJ 38's and never even gave a magazine chain-fire scenario a thought in the 92....and now that I've given it a consideration I feel pretty confident that its' a 'non-issue'.
 
Well I just got done doing a few tests with some pulled bullets and primed empty cases. First with a primed case in a fixture I held the pulled RN FMJ with pliers with the nose on the primer. It took a sharp wack with a ball peen hammer to get the primer to pop. Not a real hard wack, but more than recoil or dropping the gun would cause. Then I placed a three foot piece of steel tube over the primed case and dropped bullets (nose down) down the tube on the primer. No ignition after several attempts. I then added two 1/2 oz. lead sinkers behind the bullet and let them all drop at once. Again no ignition. After these test and what Recoil Rob brought up, and the fact there in no documented cases of this ever happening, I see no issue using RN FMJ 38's in my Rossi.
 
Nice rifle.
I have the 357 in SS, 44Mag and 45 Colt in blue. Hard to beat the Rossi 92 for value for money IMO.
The only issue was with my 357 SS - loaded the magazine, the last round would not stay in the tube, (silly me) sticks uses his pinky to push it in. The edge of the loading gate door was pretty sharp - cut a small chunk out of my finger, lots of blood. I have not done that again:). The gates on the 44 and 45 are not as sharp....maybe a SS thing.
 
I have a 44 carbine. Really like it for its size. I got it to deer hunt with and it fit my 11 year old son well at the time. I agree the loading gate is very stiff and sharp on the edge. I use my thumb to push the cartridges in and will shave off my finger nail.

I have a question, when cycling the action closed, the next cartridge will not pop out of the magazine tube unless the lever is slapped shut hard or when the gun is fired the recoil will pop it out. Does yours work like that?
 
Sometimes my first round will not load, I have to cycle two times. Then the remainder cycle fine. I have thought this is something to do with the way I load - maybe I push the last round in too far.
Maybe when my pinky is shaved down to the knuckle it will work fine:rolleyes:
 
I've got the same Rossi 92, 16 inch in .357/.38. I have about a thousand rounds thru it and have yet to have any trouble with it cycling or otherwise. Mine even reliably feeds my lswc hand loads. Around the farm it has accounted for numerous whistle pigs, skunks and even gophers, if I do my part. I have not fully disassembled it yet, but I guess I will one of these rainy days.
 
I recently repaired one for a friend, it would neither bring a round up to the chamber, nor chamber said round. The gun was fairly new, so when taking it apart I noticed quite a few machining marks on the lifter, as well as the other parts. Did a lot of filing and subsequent polishing and now the gun works very nicely. I guess with the Rossi it's a game of chance. I had one quite a few years ago (pre-manual safety) and it was slicker than snot in the .45Colt, sorry I ever got rid of it now.
 
Sometimes my first round will not load, I have to cycle two times. Then the remainder cycle fine. I have thought this is something to do with the way I load - maybe I push the last round in too far.
Maybe when my pinky is shaved down to the knuckle it will work fine:rolleyes:
The magazine spring should push the rounds down to properly feed every one onto the cartridge elevator if the rifle is built correctly.
 
I am convinced that the magazine detonation issue is purely an issue of ignorance that has been magnified by the internet. If you really want to get your son (or anyone else) hooked on shooting a .357 lever gun buy a case of generic soda in cans and shoot them at about 50 yards. It is an experience that nobody will forget or ever turn down......
 
The magazine spring should push the rounds down to properly feed every one onto the cartridge elevator if the rifle is built correctly.
My thoughts too -

I have put a stainless follower in my 45 colt model. Will see if that helps. If so, spending a few extra bucks on the 44 and 357.

Thanks
 
My thoughts too -

I have put a stainless follower in my 45 colt model. Will see if that helps. If so, spending a few extra bucks on the 44 and 357.

Thanks
I did that to my .45 Colt Rossi too, because I think it ought to be metal. The problem I've heard plastic followers have is after they age, and wear, they tend to become shredded a bit and the debris can begin to get into the gun .... and maybe hang up the feed, but this happens with age.
Of course it might be a plastic follower might be warped or misformed from the manufacturer and QC passed it anyway and that could I suppose, cause problems.
 
Steve's Gunz is a gunsmithing operation that specializes in making 92's run right for cowboy action shooters. He has a DVD out to show you how to slick up the 92 to run fast and smooth. Part of that is grinding off some from the loading gate spring so it is easier to operate. He also sells the stainless steel followers and says it is not a mater of IF the plastic ones fail, but WHEN they fail. Many CAS shooters use 92's and I have never heard of having a problem in the tubular magazine. I have been using one for over 10 years. Used to keep one as my truck gun loaded with Winchester Silver Tip HP in .45 Colt. I did notice some set-back of the bullets in the cases in a fully loaded magazine after a long time of the rifle riding around under the seat.
 
Grayrock said:
... it is not a mater of IF the plastic ones fail, but WHEN they fail.

That's not surprising when you think about it .... I always clean my rifles after I use them .... and cycle after cycle of using cleaning fluids each time maybe a dab gets on the plastic follower, sooner or later that chemical has to do something nasty to the plastic. Then add in wear from reciprocation, and other types of assaults.
However one uses their Rossi, I think those metal followers are worth every penny.
 
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