I've gone through nearly every thin carry gun...still looking.

When I was looking for a single stack carry, I shot

XDs9
Shield
PM9
PPS
Glock 43 g4
Glock 19 g4
LCP
LC9
Bersa Thunder CC

I shot the XDs9 best (I'm not a top-gun shooter) and bought it but sure wish I shot the P938 first. Now I have a SIGness. IMHO, the P238 is border line pocket carry. The P938 doesn't pocket carry for me and mostly carry each OWB. I have a Seecamp for pocket carry on hot days wearing shorts.

Think your asking too much from a stock Firearm. What kind of firearm do you really need, should be your question. For me I carry a Glock G17 gen 4. Neat thing about Glocks, M&P, Ruger, ETC there are After Market parts to make the firearm more to your liking.
Otherwise try a 1911

See, no gun is perfect, but if you shoot it well then use it and live with its faults.

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This. ^

I don't like the ergonomics, trigger, appearance, features, or construction of Glock pistols.

But I shoot them very well - better than some pistols I prefer much more. Go figure.

Springfield EMP, in either size, very slim single-stack in 9 or .40.

The three I rely on are the Kimber .45 Ultra Carry- light, flat, great trigger, reliable and accurate. The other is the Walther PPK (mine's a 7.65) or the .380 PPK/S. These two have horrible first shot trigger but are VERY concealable, reliable and very accurate. All three conceal rather easily.

Buy a Smith & Wesson Model 29. Spend time shooting it double action. Get used to shooting with a long trigger pull and ample recoil. THEN a lot of guns on your list will feel fine, AND you'll have a nice 44 magnum at home.

CZ-RAMI Subcompact? CZ-action or decocker, your choice?

I just ordered a p938 with laser for my wife. She has trouble with sights, vision problems. I have carried a solo for the last couple of years. If she does not like it I may have to switch to the sig. lol

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Rami is too wide. I wish CZ would come out with a slightly thinner Rami.......at no more than an inch I'd be getting one of those without question.

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I would agree. I absolutely love my CZs. In my search for the perfect subcompact, I purchased (over time) a G26, Walther P99c, HK P30SK, and a Rami BD. Of the four, the Rami had the WORST ergonomics. The pinky dangle was very pronounced and uncomfortable. Again, if someone asked me what gun to look at for comfort/ergos, I tell them CZ every time. But not that Rami. Sold it quickly. Still have the P99c which rides bedside duty now with a grip extension and 15-rnd mag. The HK comes out at times, but with only 3 more rounds than the PPS, it's hard to justify the added width.

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Sig 938 is by far my favorite carry gun of all time. Keep this one!

Congratulations, I'm glad you got what you wanted. Don't forget the pictures when you get it home.

I'm way late to the party. I didn't see anyone mention the P239. It isn't as small as some of the newer models, but one of my favorite single stack 9's.

I carry a PM9 every day. I would prefer a 1911, and used to carry one, but three back surgeries and nearly 60 years of foolish behavior (self abuse) have diminished my options to a certain degree.

I see that you have the 938 on your list. Shot one and handled several others...and other mini-1911-ish pistols. All of them had horrible triggers, not worthy of the 1911.

If you are a 1911 guy, the Springfield EMP may be worth a look. Not cheap, but a quality mini-1911 in 9mm. And it has a decent trigger, which could be improved to be a very good 1911 trigger.

Beretta 70 series. But only in mouse calibers....


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I'm always a little surprised how picky people get about triggers on subcompact carry guns. Police officers do their jobs with 10 pound DAO triggers, but a selection of 5-6 pound triggers with short trigger pulls (a Kahr has a 1/4" trigger pull) are not sufficient to control a tiny gun?


All of the guns listed in the OP have light, short trigger pulls by most any standard. There are much more important features for a carry gun than having a target trigger.

RX-79G said:

I'm always a little surprised how picky people get about triggers on subcompact carry guns. Police officers do their jobs with 10 pound DAO triggers, but a selection of 5-6 pound triggers with short trigger pulls (a Kahr has a 1/4" trigger pull) are not sufficient to control a tiny gun?


All of the guns listed in the OP have light, short trigger pulls by most any standard. There are much more important features for a carry gun than having a target trigger.

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Orion has made his decision, so I don't feel too bad about contributing to thread drift. Police officers are usually carrying full sized service guns, so yeah, a good trigger pull makes it easier for me to shoot well with a small gun. My Kahr .380 for example. It does have much more than a 1/4' trigger pull though.

I was taking the POV that a cop needs to be able to hit a greater ranges on multiple targets than a civilian who feels comfortable carrying a tiny 9mm. A good trigger is important, but all those guns have good triggers - all are shorter and lighter than a quality revolver.

RX-79G said:

I was taking the POV that a cop needs to be able to hit a greater ranges on multiple targets than a civilian who feels comfortable carrying a tiny 9mm. A good trigger is important, but all those guns have good triggers - all are shorter and lighter than a quality revolver.

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The problem is: they don't. Statistically, they don't hit their targets. Not at long range, not at close range, not with 10lb triggers, not with 5lb trigger, not with compact handguns, not with full-size autos. More of their shots miss than hit by a significant margin. This is not a dig on police officers. Just a fact that illustrates just how hard it can be to hit your target in the heat of a life & death struggle.

Point being - anything you can do to make it easier to hit your target is worthwhile to consider, and the trigger is one of the most logical places to start.

Compact handguns are already handicapped in a number of areas that makes putting shots on target difficult. I'd consider a quality trigger much more essential on such a handgun than a service-sized weapon.