FBI Glock photos leaked

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Allegedly pictures of the new FBI spec Glock 17 have surfaced. The model designation is 17M. There's still talk about a Gen 5 coming out at the next Shot Show.

What does everyone think about the changes to the 17M?

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/08/16/photos-new-glock-17m-leaked/

Here is a list of changes according to someone who attended training with the new guns:

A new tougher finish
Changes in the rifling
Longer recoil spring assembly
Reinforced forward notch for the recoil spring assembly
A smoother trigger similar to the G42/43
Flared magwell
No finger grooved
Changes in the safety plunger
Ambidextrous slide release
Magazines have an extended front lip
Magazine well cutout
 
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Wow that grip really looks like my Gen 2 17. except for the bottom flare and mag release.
I do not like that magwell flare at all. I notice it is a 2 pin frame also, is that how Gen 4 17's are?
 
Wow, that's pretty much what most people have always wanted in a Glock. I hope that's real.
 
I think the mag well appears to be flared also, I actually consider that's a good idea.

Looks like night sights fitted also? Hope they have ditched that bloody awful encapsulated double main spring. And gone back to the single one.

How long before the Agents fit extended slide locks? Finger groves, they fit me perfectly.
 
I'm very interested to see the Glock 19 version. I would like to try one without the finger grooves that came with steel sights from the factory.
 
Looks pretty nice. The flaired mag well makes sense, but from an aesthetic I don't care for it. Then again, it's a Glock. It's the poster child of form following function.

I actually like the the finger grooves on Glocks, but I could live without them.

I didn't know the 42/43 had a "smoother" trigger. I've never shot one. Are they talking about the trigger action being smoother or are they talking about it being non-serrated/flat face?
 
I like it, no finger grooves is a selling point for me. I also like all the other changes. Flared mag well not a problem on a duty sized gun.

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I like it, no finger grooves is a selling point for me. I also like all the other changes. Flared mag well not a problem on a duty sized gun.
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I'm curious if the 19M also has this flared mag well.
 
Glock went back to the two pin frame for the 17M. Did they need to do that to allow for the ambidextrous slide release?
 
Of course it is real. Glock developed it in response to the FBI firearm solicitation. Many federal acquisition uninformed folks thought the FBI spec was targeting the sig 320. You can see the RFP by googling. Fact is that large companies will go to extreme measures to win large contracts.
 
Furthermore, one requirement of the solicitation was that the gun be modular. Notice the blackout on the left rail of one of the photos. Likely the serial number. I wonder if the fire control unit can be removed and dropped into a 19 or 26 much like the sig 320.
 
Interesting. I ran into a friend who I served in the Army with about 6 weeks ago before I deployed who is high up with Glock now. He mentioned that they were doing some new and interesting things with the federal gov't. I always wondered- if Glock is truly "perfection"- why are there 4 generations of them, and presumably more coming out? The fact is, I have many different Glocks (I'm a fan) of several generations, and performance-wise I can't really tell a difference in most cases, all other things being equal.
 
The firing pin safety looks like what is being used in the 42/43. An improvement on the old design.

There's a metal pivot pin in the trigger assembly that used to be plastic. Wonder what that's about.

Interesting that they went back to a 2 pin frame. The third pin was never necessary for 9mm, it was added to the 9mm frames so that they could use one mold to make all the 9mm/.357Sig/.40S&W guns of a given frame size using one mold. funklord12 may be onto something with his guess as to why they dropped the locking block pin.

They beveled the front of the slide as had been done on the 34/35 pistols. Should make holstering a little easier.

Reversible but not ambidextrous mag release like on the Gen 4 guns. That means all the old mags will work unless you reverse the release and then you're stuck with Gen4 mags.

There's something different going on with the trigger mechanism housing but I can't see enough to tell what.

Wish I could see how the ambi-slide stop is implemented.

Interesting that they changed the finish. I wondered about the new finish that they had started using. I guess the FBI thought it needed improvement.
 
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So let's see, it's looks like a Glock, feels like a Glock, shoots like a Glock. Hmmm, at same time it shoots same old 9mm, carries about the same amount of ammo, groups about the same as most 9mms.

So what's the big deal?

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There's something different going on with the trigger mechanism housing but I can't see enough to tell what.
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It appears that they have created a new trigger mechanism housing with ejector. I suspect if they followed suit from the G42/43 idea that they also have a new trigger spring design installed as well. It feels a little funky (G42/43) to reassemble but it works. I did notice that the new trigger design on the G42/43 is a tad heavier in pull weight. I hope this one stays true to the original design pull weight.
 
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Well, why else would they change to "land and groove" rifling?
Hmm, what does Sig put in the P320? I have seen it said that was what they really wanted and wrote the specs out of the Sigarms catalog.

Change in the barrel lug-recoil spring abutment seems strange. Of course going to the Seecamp spring in 9mm seemed strange to start with, except for commonality with the .40s. Not like the 9mm has ever had any lack of durability.
Leads to loss of backwards compatibility, which might be good if you want to sell new guns instead of patching up old ones.
Anything to improve the feel of a Glock trigger is worth having except for similar lack of parts compatibility.

Ambi slide stop also seems odd, who uses the slide stop anyhow? Most Glockers yank on the slide to release.
 
Any indication of what the "new tougher finish" is ? Post-tenifer Glocks have been my least favorite, I'd be happy to see them bring back the Tenifer treatment, or something with similar resilience.
 
Meh, just another Glock. As far as I'm concerned, nothing special really. And commence with the flaming (even though I own a Glock 19).
 
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Well, why else would they change to "land and groove" rifling?
Hmm, what does Sig put in the P320? I have seen it said that was what they really wanted and wrote the specs out of the Sigarms catalog.

Change in the barrel lug-recoil spring abutment seems strange. Of course going to the Seecamp spring in 9mm seemed strange to start with, except for commonality with the .40s. Not like the 9mm has ever had any lack of durability.
Leads to loss of backwards compatibility, which might be good if you want to sell new guns instead of patching up old ones.
Anything to improve the feel of a Glock trigger is worth having except for similar lack of parts compatibility.

Ambi slide stop also seems odd, who uses the slide stop anyhow? Most Glockers yank on the slide to release.
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The change to more conventional pattern rifling may have been to promote easier ballistic identification of fired rounds in an agent(s) involved shooting. I am told that this is more difficult with polygonal rifling, so it may be a concession to the crime lab types. For all we know there is also micro stamping included as well to ease this process.
 
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