first time selling help?

Set a price and a place to meet.

Then let him look at the rifle. If he likes it, he gives you cash, you give him the gun.

If he needs it shipped, he pays the cost to send to his FFL (shipping + case if needed). Get payment, then ship to FFL. Use ATF FFL Check https://www.atfonline.gov/fflezcheck/
to verify the FFL is legit.

On the ML, negotiate shipping as with the other one, then just ship to his address once payment is received.

Done deal.

Don't overthink it. Never do a bill of sale or receipt unless your state requires something like that.



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you can do a bill of sale if you want to. Us freedom loving patriots try to avoid it though. I usually put "preferred chl" in my listings.. then folks are usually happy to show it, and i know their legit. But you can get a BOS to cover your arse if you feel it necessary.

First there is no legal reason to do so (at least in my state). Some will say it can protect you, not to any reasonable extent.

My NFA lawyer is strongly opposed to them for a variety of reasons. From his experience they tend to bring more trouble than they protect against.

Generally they have zero legal standing. If you get it notarized, maybe a little, but not worth the effort.

Why would you want to give personal information to a stranger? Especially one that now knows you have guns?

A buyer and/or seller can lie on a bill of sale.

If I am uncomfortable selling to a person I don't. If they appear young, I ask for an ID which I look at the date to see if they are over 18. I never write anything down. I may also ask to see an ID if I am not sure about them being a Texan.

I prefer to buy guns with zero strings attached, and I sell them the same way.

Some will think a piece of paper will make them sleep better at night, whatever makes them happy, but they will not be doing business with me.

It is a step the antis want us to do, I am opposed to any more infringement on my rights, so I don't comply with their wishes. One more step towards universal background checks.

Never had an issue, but I have had a friend get backtracked to and questioned about a sale because he insisted one one. He no longer makes that mistake.

Don't make it harder than it has to be.




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Acera said:

Don't overthink it. Never do a bill of sale or receipt unless your state requires something like that.

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Wise words to live by. The KISS formula rarely fails.

is the ML your referring to a muzzleloader?

i think generally those are not considered firearms and can be shipped direct.

Muzzleloader..... You have nothing to worry about at all. Might as well be a drill or lawnmower.

While I don't really disagree with others. It matters what state you are in, what state the buyer is in.
I don't know laws for other states. A muzzle loader is often considered not different then anything else. (as stated)
I assume both long arms? The "modern" arm is really dependent on state. Without that info you get is worth LESS then what you paid for it.

xxjumbojimboxx said:

you can do a bill of sale if you want to. Us freedom loving patriots try to avoid it though.

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This. If you ever do have to explain the sale (however extremely unlikely) the less information the better. The ATF will screw anyone that dares exercise their Rights every chance they get. (Of course that's just one man's opinion)

Nothing wrong with checking ID to verify buyer is of age, if questionable, or establish residency, if legally necessary.

Bill of sale is to protect the buyer, and as a buyer, I would want one. Should be done on any purchase of significant value made by cash. Should contain sellers name and address, price paid, and the words "paid in full". This gives the buyer some recourse if product is misrepresented or defective, stolen, or the terms of the sale come into question.


Though a black powder rifle is not considered a "firearm" under the federal definition, in many states, it IS. Read about somebody in one of those states losing a criminal case for possessing "bullets" for a blackpowder rifle maybe a year ago.

This. If you ever do have to explain the sale (however extremely unlikely) the less information the better. The ATF will screw anyone that dares exercise their Rights every chance they get. (Of course that's just one man's opinion)

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The bill of sale has nothing to do with the ATF, is kept by the buyer, and simply shows proof of purchase.

TimSr said:

The bill of sale has nothing to do with the ATF, is kept by the buyer, and simply shows proof of purchase.

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The ATF are the only ones you would be showing it to, as its not required and they would be the only ones interested in a transaction history of the firearm.

The ATF are the only ones you would be showing it to, as its not required and they would be the only ones interested in a transaction history of the firearm.

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Under what circumstances would the ATF ever be looking at your bill of sale? Again, bill of sale is proof of purchase, proof of ownership, not transaction history. Same reason you should ask for a bill of sale or a receipt if you buy a laptop, an iphone, a lawnmower a car, or pay your rent. It simply shows you paid for it in case it ever turns out to be stolen property, or the seller later disputes the terms of the sale.

Everybody ever found in possession of stolen property says "I bought it off a guy named Bob that I don't know, never met before, and paid cash in the Walmart parking lot".

Don't make it harder than it has to be.

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This, absolutely.
Simpler is always better.

^ Truth. More words to live by.

TimSr said:

Bill of sale is to protect the buyer, and as a buyer, I would want one. Should be done on any purchase of significant value made by cash. Should contain sellers name and address, price paid, and the words "paid in full". This gives the buyer some recourse if product is misrepresented or defective, stolen, or the terms of the sale come into question.

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I'm not sure what recourse you'd have in a private AS-IS sale that a bill of sale would give you? It's your responsibility to inspect the item before you purchase. Being a stolen item is maybe the only possibility of usefulness.

Note that there are a handful of states in which private sales must go through an FFL. In the off-chance OP is in one of said, he should be aware of that. They are, however, and fortunately, the minority.