Recommend wt. LSWC 45acp
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stu1ritter
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I've been shooting bullseye for50 years and have mostly used the H&G 68 200 gr. LSWC with some powder under it. I've used Bullseye, WST, VV N310. VV N320 and IMR4756 with equally good results. Here are the sight-in targets from a new STI Lawman 4.0 (Commander size) shot at 50 feet, mixed powders, same bullet.
Stu
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And I am looking forward to what a better pistol shot than I am has to say about it compared to WST. My results were always so very similar I had to call it a draw. This was in .38 Spl, .357 (Light loads), and .45 ACP. WST has also shot very well in .32 Long and for light .32 Mag, but I don't think I tried Competition there. WST, AA #2, and N310 all did well there.
I have shot a lot of the Berrys 185 Gr SWC and it shoots well for me.
ArchAngelCD
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Thank you, I'm going to have to give WST a try.
grandpawj
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Am I the only one that uses Unique?
Caliber: 45 ACP
Powder Mfg: Alliant Powder
Powder ID/#: Unique
Powder wt: 5.8 grns
Bullet wt: 200 grns (MBC coated)
Velocity: 800 to 900 fps
Round OAL: 1.27
These run pretty nice for me in my Colt Gold Cup.
Caliber: 45 ACP
Powder Mfg: Alliant Powder
Powder ID/#: Unique
Powder wt: 5.8 grns
Bullet wt: 200 grns (MBC coated)
Velocity: 800 to 900 fps
Round OAL: 1.27
These run pretty nice for me in my Colt Gold Cup.
grandpawj
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Sorry forgot that detail. They are round nose bullets.
My recipe is as follows:
200 gr Lead SWC over 4.6 to 4.8 gr American Select. 4.6gr makes major power factor for USPA and IDPA in both my STI Trojan and my CZ 97b. 4.8 gr (the max stated in the 2004 Alliant Manual - around 900 fps) might be better for bowling pins.
I've used a variety of hard-cast lead bullets from MBC, S & S, Penn Bullets and coated them with Liquid Alox. I'm switching to coated bullets from Billy Bullets ( a black moly style coating) and MBC Hi-Tek coated bullets.
As others have suggested, seat the bullet so the amount of shoulder above the rim of the case is around .030" (about the thickness of your thumbnail- or a little bit more - as I've been told). To determine the correct OAL in your weapon, make some dummy rounds of varying lengths and see how they feed.
Chris
200 gr Lead SWC over 4.6 to 4.8 gr American Select. 4.6gr makes major power factor for USPA and IDPA in both my STI Trojan and my CZ 97b. 4.8 gr (the max stated in the 2004 Alliant Manual - around 900 fps) might be better for bowling pins.
I've used a variety of hard-cast lead bullets from MBC, S & S, Penn Bullets and coated them with Liquid Alox. I'm switching to coated bullets from Billy Bullets ( a black moly style coating) and MBC Hi-Tek coated bullets.
As others have suggested, seat the bullet so the amount of shoulder above the rim of the case is around .030" (about the thickness of your thumbnail- or a little bit more - as I've been told). To determine the correct OAL in your weapon, make some dummy rounds of varying lengths and see how they feed.
Chris
deadeye dick
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I like 6.3 Gr. Autocomp with a 1.230 OAL (thumbnail) in my PT1911. 200Gr.LSWC or RNFP
Using MBC coated LSWCs 200gr Bullseye #1
Loaded up some dummy rds and ladder loads. My 1911s all seem to feed COAL 1.240-1.250 hand cycled.
I loaded 4.0-5.0 (0.2 increments) Red Dot @ COAL 1.250. Mostly shot thru my RIA 4" 1911 (can be picky).
4.0 1 FTC
4.2 ok still a bit light
4.4 1 FTC
4.6 1 FTC
4.8 nice load- felt "right"
5.0 too hot IMHO
If I got a fail to chamber, I shot the rest of the string in a Ruger SR1911 which ran flawlessly at all loads.
This week, I'm going to load the same charges @ 1.240 COAL (0.030 shoulder above case mouth) and see if that improves feeding in the RIA. FYI the RIA feeds plated RN and commercial HP ammo with no problems all day long.
Hope the reduced COAL cures the feeding issue.
More to come.
Loaded up some dummy rds and ladder loads. My 1911s all seem to feed COAL 1.240-1.250 hand cycled.
I loaded 4.0-5.0 (0.2 increments) Red Dot @ COAL 1.250. Mostly shot thru my RIA 4" 1911 (can be picky).
4.0 1 FTC
4.2 ok still a bit light
4.4 1 FTC
4.6 1 FTC
4.8 nice load- felt "right"
5.0 too hot IMHO
If I got a fail to chamber, I shot the rest of the string in a Ruger SR1911 which ran flawlessly at all loads.
This week, I'm going to load the same charges @ 1.240 COAL (0.030 shoulder above case mouth) and see if that improves feeding in the RIA. FYI the RIA feeds plated RN and commercial HP ammo with no problems all day long.
Hope the reduced COAL cures the feeding issue.
More to come.
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Home cast H&G 68 clone @ 200 gr. feeds like butter in my 1911, but my Ruger P90 chokes on it 2 out of 10. I like a bit over 5.0 gr. of Universal, but that's what works in my gun. I start with the shoulder a bit farther out of the case than the 1/32" but I use the "Plunk Test" to determine what OAL/seating depth is best for my gun.
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I've been using the MBC 200gr SWCs for 6-7 years now. I have put a whole bunch of these rounds through probably a dozen different 1911s (including at least five 3"ers) with zero problems.
I use 5.0 gr of Alliant Green Dot. Coincidentally (or not) it is right next to International on the burn chart...at least, the one I am looking at right now (Western).
Green Dot Burns pretty clean, is accurate and consistent, and recoil is similar to W231 (maybe a hair more than Bullseye, but it takes a more perceptive shooter than I to discern the difference.)
I agree with the nominal 1/32" of shoulder, and use the barrel from my most frequently-used 1911 to plunk test a few from each batch.
I'll try the powder-coated MBCs one day, but I still have a five-year supply of uncoated lead. There are worse problems to have.
I use 5.0 gr of Alliant Green Dot. Coincidentally (or not) it is right next to International on the burn chart...at least, the one I am looking at right now (Western).
Green Dot Burns pretty clean, is accurate and consistent, and recoil is similar to W231 (maybe a hair more than Bullseye, but it takes a more perceptive shooter than I to discern the difference.)
I agree with the nominal 1/32" of shoulder, and use the barrel from my most frequently-used 1911 to plunk test a few from each batch.
I'll try the powder-coated MBCs one day, but I still have a five-year supply of uncoated lead. There are worse problems to have.
In my gun the 8.0 grs of AA#5 load is a hair more accurate at 50 and 100 yards. Shooting standing, a two hand hold one can stay within 4 in / 8 in. This operator is the limiting factor.
I'm always the limiting factor in my shooting![emoji41]
Thanks for your comment!
Loaded and ran a work up @ 1.240 COAL (0.030 shoulder showing) yesterday. 4.0-4.8gr RD in 0.2gr increments. Everything feeds well except for a few issues with the RIA (I'll handle that separately).
The 4.0 shot low, 4.2 better, 4.4 & 4.6 POA=POI as did 4.8. The best feeling loads were 4.4-4.6. A little more work and I think I've found my plinking load for MBC 200gr coated LSWCs. It's lighter than my plated RN loads, but still very accurate.
Many thanks to all commenters so far. I've learned a lot and you've given me some great options going forward.
Of course, more comments are welcome![emoji41]
The 4.0 shot low, 4.2 better, 4.4 & 4.6 POA=POI as did 4.8. The best feeling loads were 4.4-4.6. A little more work and I think I've found my plinking load for MBC 200gr coated LSWCs. It's lighter than my plated RN loads, but still very accurate.
Many thanks to all commenters so far. I've learned a lot and you've given me some great options going forward.
Of course, more comments are welcome![emoji41]
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