Any truth to what my gun shop is saying?

I honestly think a better alternative to .22 for pure practicing is one of the laser inserts for dry firing. You are using your trigger and your gun. Once you get the laser it costs nothing. If .22 gets in short supply you don't care. Its just you, your trigger and your sights. It doesn't get purer than that and you can do it in your living room every day. Its helped me a lot.

Buck Marks are awesome. If you get one and practice with it frequently, you will become a much better shot in general. Mine is a tack driver.

mfer said:

Thanks everyone. My goal is to be a better shot. I'm not worried about speed changing clips. I do like heavier metal guns more I think. I'm leaning to Buck Mark now but the one I want is more rare. I think the target with threaded barrel is nicer. I see one on gun broker, but I do like buying local when I can. No one has that here.

I'm still holding out for Kadet.

Also, WHERE can I get 20cent 9mm!

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Check out Slickguns.com people are all posting deals. They recently had blazer brass for 20 cents/rds and some cheap Russian steel case for 16 cents/rd


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The Bushmaster said:

Get the one that tickles yer fancy the most and to hell with the gun shop...

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This here. Enjoy.

My SR22 and CZ75 are nothing alike except the both have the normal gun necessary components.

Find a kadet kit if possible...

id shoot the cz a lot more. you need to get used to that gun in that caliber.

I used to hate glocks, bought one solely for GSSF shoots, I hated the gun until I logged afew thousand round though it , now I love it. today I have almost 35,000 rounds though it, in just 2 years. its my go too USPSA limited gun.

buy a reloader, you can load 9mm for under 10 cents a round.
I highly recommend a Dillon 650

mfer said:

Desperately trying. I think I'm on like 5 email alert systems now. Also some auction sites.

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Where in Texas? I think I know of a shop near The Woodlands that has one.


PM me if you want the name.




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Ruger SR22-350$
2000rds of 22-150$
5 sr22mags- 125$
Sr22 holster- 40$
Total investment into training with 2000rds of 22= 665$

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You don't really need 5 mags and a holster for a range/training gun. Also, I didn't realize that .22 has come up so much in price. Browsing online I can reload 9mm for less, yikes.

One day, just not today. I wanted to get into reloading for trap and then I got married and had 2 kids. Everything took a backseat. Love the idea of reloading, just don't have the time now. I get 2 hours per week to myself right now. That is my range time!

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I second the spend your money on reloading supplies and use that to train idea. If you are strapped for time, you can do what I do. Wake up 1/2 hour earlier each day and load for a few minutes. If you go step by step you can still crank out a lot of rounds in a week. Since you are a parent, you don't need sleep anyway, right?

the bushmaster said:

get the one that tickles yer fancy the most and to hell with the gun shop...

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Couldn'ta said it better myself!

A quick search tells me your right, Kadet is very hard to find right now. Be persistent.
I'm glad I got mine when I did.

Positive about the Kadet the more you shoot it the more you smooth your trigger on the SP01.

I'm an enabler.
I reload, and would recommend it to almost everyone.*
I have a Kadet kit on my cz75b, and it's amazing. Get one.*

* Here's a little common sense.
A kadet kit is $400, and with .22 ammo being what it is, it will take a lot of shooting to cover $400 in ammo savings, not including having a gunsmith fit the kadet to your frame.

*Reloading is an amazing way to shoot more, shoot better, and learn how to shoot more and shoot better, but reloading 9mm is not ideal as far as cost savings go. You'll wind up spending a lot of money in hopes of eventually breaking even. Factor your time in, and it's not realistic. I reload 9mm for around $15-16 per hundred. So basic plinking ammo is about half price. Save your brass, in either case, should you decide you want to start at a later date. If you're finding ammo you like at $11.00 a box it's just not worth it in any way shape, or form.

*Buying a boat load of cheap practice ammo is great, and is certainly efficient from a cost perspective at first glance, but how do you know it's the best way to get better faster?

I spent thousands of dollars and years of practice to learn that it doesn't take thousands of dollars or years of practice to make you a better shooter very quickly. Quite the opposite.

With a VERY few exceptions, you can't buy anything that makes you a better shooter.

Let that sink in for a sec.

The exceptions are: Training. Practice. Ammo.
Get some.
Training makes you aware of what you're doing wrong, and how to fix it.
Training is basically just you benefiting from someone else's experience.
That's actually more cost effective, because you get better faster, and with less time, and less ammo.
You can always learn something from well meaning people at the range, and from friends, and forums, and whatnot, but why not start with a CCW class?
You don't even need to get a permit, just take the class, it's so worth it.

The caveat is that in order to get in a CCW class, you need basic safe gun handling, and basic marksmanship.
Can you hit a 9" paper plate 10 times out of 10 at 7-10 yards? And do it safely?
Good enough. Get you some training.
With a bit of training, your practice will be more efficient, because you will know better how to practice to get better faster.

not including having a gunsmith fit the kadet to your frame.

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99% of folks who own a Kadet didn't need a gunsmith unless they like throwing $ away.

mfer said:

Yeah I hear the Kadet is a tiny bit of filing and some cold blue. Hope I can do that on my own.

I am getting caught up in this as it is so fun, so I'm thinking about the cajunworks ultralight spring and extended magazine release while I'm at it. Think I'd rather use a gunsmith for that work.

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Highly unlikely your SP-01 will need a gunsmith to fit the Kadet Kit. My Kit works on all 4 of my 75-based guns with no issues.

Also, the CGW ultra lite kits are easy to install if you are the slightest bit "mechanical." I suggest you do your own because you MAY want to change hammer springs some to find the lightest one that will work with your Kadet Kit. Don't want to be running to the smith every time you want a simple spring change. Watch a few of the youtube videos and you'll find it's pretty simple. The lighter the spring, the more enjoyable the CZ is to shoot, IME, but on a frame that will also be used with a Kadet Kit, that will dictate what your gun can accommodate.

mfer said:

So, I have a CZ 75 SP-01 Tactical 9mm. I'm not horrible with it, but I need practice.

Would like to get a .22lr to practice my general skills. Down to two choices

Browning Buck Mark
Ruger SR22

Both feel great in my hand. The gun shop says if I want more transferable experience to my CZ 75, I should get the SR22 as it is modern. It makes sense but I'm not worried about decocking, magazine change, chambering. More worried about shooting better. The sights on the SR22 are definitely like the CZ75. The weight is very light compared to Buck Mark. The CZ is heavy.

What are your thoughts?

PS I know about the Kadet adapter, but it seems very hard to find. Not sure if I can wait months/years.

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Order the Kadet upper online.

Yeah, a lot of the training from less reputable outfits will be exactly that, a CCW class that exactly promises that you get your permit and nothing more.
This does cover some legal stuff, and some basic stuff.

But the outline of exactly 100% of the classes (If they are certified NRA instructors) will be teaching the NRA course 'Personal Protection in the home' and they have an exact outline of exactly what to cover. This includes hours of legal instruction, and NRA course materials to take home.

This 'legal stuff' is not to be skipped, and is an intro into what you must know to be safe and carry. It varies from state to state, that's why it's separate from the NRA materials.

Most courses are required to be 8 hours in length, 5 in the classroom, and 3 on the range.
I'd consider this as a prerequisite to instruction, as it's pretty much a safety course. CCW courses are like herding cats, and all kinds of people are taking this course. Some have never fired a gun. Safety is a priority, but I'd try to stay clear of noobs, as you never know what stupid stuff they will do when confused. The instructor is basically busy trying to get everybody to get their stuff done, and not getting anybody killed from gross negligence of one of the students.

A level 2 and level 3 course is offered at most places that offer instruction.
Don't take a CCW course from a place that doesn't offer a level 2&3 handgun.

The classes are smaller, and more personal, and while they follow a basic class outline, it's a bit more open and you will learn real stuff, I promise. There is less likely to be someone that has never handled a gun in this class, as the previous class is always a prerequisite. Classes are more focused, you will need more ammo, more of the time is spent on the range, and you will learn from other peoples' mistakes, and quite possibly, your own. You will learn stuff you don't need to know, but since everyone is there for different reasons, this will happen as a consequence of covering a lot of ground.
You may learn stuff that you don't think is important now, but will remember it, and when you need to know it, it will be there.

Try to find a person that has taken a level 2 and level 3 pistol course, and doesn't recommend it for you.
Don't get training out of a phone book, get recommendations.

mfer

The Kadet kit is relatively easy to install. Took me a little while longer as the slide to frame fit was a little tight initially and needed a bit more file work to get it running right. Works fine and I really like that they included two 10 round magazines with it.

When I went for my CCW training you could qualify with any gun you wanted; didn't have to be a concealed carry gun and could be any caliber from .22LR on up. If you didn't have a gun the instructor had a few he could let you use. Qualification consisted of something like 6 or 7 rounds on a 9" paper plate at 7 yards.. Not too hard to do for even the most inexperienced of shooters.