The Democrats Will Never Confiscate Your Guns. Instead, You’ll Hand them Over.

DeepSouth said:

While I believe he is right that confiscation will never happen, he is wrong about almost everything else he said.

I personally believe that the NY "safe act" set the standard.... Not the law, but the estimated 90% noncompliance rate. President Obama told the country certain laws would simply be ignored/not enforced, immigration and marijuana come to mind. Well, like it or not he is leading by example so now we have sheriffs, governors, and other Leo agencies following suit. That's what I expect to see more of, and that's a very bad thing. John Adams famously said we are "a government of laws and not of men" that is changing.

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But think about the situation going forward. Those non-compliant people now possess illegal guns. They can't be sold or inherited legally. They can't be used for fear of discovery. Sure this generation kept those guns, but what about their children? Their grandchildren? As time goes by those guns are going to be turned in or disposed of until they for all practical purposes are gone for good.

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JohnKSa said:

All they have to do is make them illegal and wait. Time will chip away at the hold-outs who don't turn them in or register. They will be dealt with, a little at a time, one here, one there, so there's no obvious point at which those who are non-compliant feel like their collective backs are up against the wall and be spurred to organized resistance.

There will be no hurry from the government's perspective. Making it virtually impossible for owners to use or transfer guns is an acceptable first step as far as they're concerned. From there it's just a matter of time and they're willing to wait.[/U]

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I doubt that the Federal government will try and make everyone, at least directly, turn in their guns. I suspect the Feds will essentially give you the choice between your guns and your money. When I say your money I mean the money the government involuntarily took from you and hands back to you with strings attached via government programs like social security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. And if you currently aren't on those programs, then Obamacare will cover the rest by penalizing gun owners with higher premiums and jail time for those who lie about owning guns.

I have no idea why any gun owner would vote for a Democrat.

The Australians are a pretty tough bunch, and they handed their guns over
without any kind of a fight. I talked to a few of them at sportsman shows
and they said "when you have families and children you don't fight city hall".

Zeke

Its "impossible" to get 11 million illegal aliens out of the country, but you can expect 80+ million gun owners to just "turn them in"?

This from the political class that has declared Iraq and Afghanistan "un-winnable quagmires" because the entire military action that has killed fewer Americans than one year of drug overdoses.

You want to talk hypothetical, what if even 1% of gun owners decide its time for a "purge" and pick a date and time for a simultaneous attack on supporters of the gun control regime? Resistance need be little more that a few "flash mobs" taking action.

The Australians are a pretty tough bunch, and they handed their guns over
without any kind of a fight. I talked to a few of them at sportsman shows
and they said "when you have families and children you don't fight city hall".

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Pffft!
You don't think our Founding Fathers had families when they took on the most powerful country in the world?

2005 Katrina.

But think about the situation going forward. Those non-compliant people now possess illegal guns. They can't be sold or inherited legally. They can't be used for fear of discovery. Sure this generation kept those guns, but what about their children? Their grandchildren? As time goes by those guns are going to be turned in or disposed of until they for all practical purposes are gone for good.

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No argument from me, that is certainly one of several possible long term outcomes. Another is continued noncompliance eventually gets the law overruled, or completely ignored/forgotten. All of these possible outcomes (as well as others) have happened many, many, times in our nations history. We simply can't predict he future. I wasn't saying that as a good thing, just what I see as very possible outcome to current circumstances, and I could be 100%, completely and totally off the mark.


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I have no idea why any gun owner would vote for a Democrat.

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It's quiet simple, some gun owners care more about other issues.

X-Rap said:

Been saying similar things for years. The Patriots of old didn't have the IRS or 401K's or entitlements or fifty percent of the able bodied workforce depending upon a taxpayer funded paycheck.

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It goes deeper when you include student loans and farm subsidies.

Will folks bite the hand that feeds if it means pain and hunger? I don't believe so, at least not in the present state of this Republic.

It all boils down to this November and who will be nominating the next 3-4 Supreme Court Justices.

We vote correctly and the SC goes Consetvative and we have a good chance these laws will be struck down at the Federal level .

We vote incorrectly or don't vote at all and the SC goes anti-constitution, then these laws will be upheld on the Federal Level and we will be on our way.

Oh, the Second will still be "there" , but it will be so watered down it will be all but useless and meaningless.

Of course the criminal element, the drug dealers, the gangs, the Mob, they'll line up at city hall to turn them all in.

If the Nazis, who were highly efficient and motivated to confiscate guns in occupied areas, couldn't get 'em all, or the KGB for that matter, how do you suppose ordinary everyday cops who aren't motivated to do this will?

How are you going to prevent 'butterknife brigade' firearms acqusitions? They've been rare in this country thus far, but in such a scenario, would increase.

Are you going to confiscate every mill, lathe, & press brake in the country? Or just station a guard at them? How about 3-D printers? How about 3/4" pipe, pipe strapping, nails and 2x4's?

Over the years, many US issue weapons have been stolen from NG and USAR armories. Though I know personally that that this is tougher to do these days, it can be done. Expect that to be on the rise in such a scenario.

Would the military stand by and allow this scenario? The current administration has attempted to purge the higher ups that wouldn't follow their agenda, but not all, and if even one or two officers somewhere with their hands on da switch (yes I know there are redundancies, it takes two, etc., many fail safes) it could make life very interesting for all of us. I think the current administration's reliance on the US military might be overvalued.

Seize a man's assets and family, he has nothing left to lose. If they start doing it one at a time, they might get away with it for a while, but eventually us Neanderthal (in their view) gun owners would get wise to it. Do it all at once and Bam! you've just created a huge criminal class with nothing left to lose, lots of anger, and lots of guns. Not wise, IMHO.

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They are not going to confiscate anything, they are just going to turn gun owners into instant felons and we will just hand them over. Just like Austrailia did England did and Germany did.

WE are the source of the police powers in this nation, not our hirelings. If we need to forcibly remove people from office - so be it. That is why writings like "you can be coerced to give up your guns by financial and family pressure no matter what" are simply ludicrous.

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If you do end up "forcibly removing people from office", make no mistake about it, you'll be labeled a terrorist. And honestly that's not too far from the truth. You won't be hailed as some "freedom fighter" or some savior, you'll be seen by the majority of people in this country as an insurgent who deserves nothing better than to be shot in the back.

Think about how even the gun community demonized James Yeager when he posted his YouTube video saying that "if they ban assault weapons, I'll start killing people" (paraphrased). What about Bunduy Ranch? WE - the shooting community - vilified them and said that we were peaceful and nothing like that. Those are the people you're counting on giving up everything and forming an insurgency to kill their own elected officials, local police officers, and their neighbors who support them.

And while we're on the subject of insurgency, do you or anyone you know have the knowledge and skills to source or make explosives and other weapons? Or how about the basics - how to remain undetected between operations while under police/military scrutiny? Burner phones? Dead drops? Use of Tor/the dark web? I bet the answer to those is no.

To become an effective insurgency long term, they would eventually need backing or at least support by either criminal enterprises or foreign governments (and by that I'm talking places like Iran, North Korea, China, maybe Russia). You would loose the whole "we're just law abiding gun owners trying to uphold the constitution" thing VERY quickly. Hell, you loose it as soon as you start shooting people.

People think that some mythical revolution is going to be nice and clean. What you're really saying is that Bob from Accounting is going to willingly turn turn his country into something resembling the Syrian civil war in order to keep some guns.

The subject has already been discussed on other forums and consensus arrived at a conclusion: If someone has had their bank account closed, and their children taken away - they are then free to act in manner that can do violence on those specific people who acted to take away what was rightfully their's.

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That's not the way people think. The bank accounts and children aren't just taken away, they're taken and then offered back if you complete some action. Think of it as bribery. Who wouldn't give up their guns to get back their own children, or the assets they've spent a lifetime building?

You don't get a widespread insurgency until people start thinking that a life of killing, hiding, and stealing is preferable to the status quo. It's going to take us a LONG time to get there in the US.

zb338 said:

The Australians are a pretty tough bunch, and they handed their guns over
without any kind of a fight. I talked to a few of them at sportsman shows
and they said "when you have families and children you don't fight city hall".

Zeke

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The Aussies aren't Americans. Our nation was born from the efforts of men who also had families and children. I don't mean to say we are better but even other countries recognize Americans are different especially in this respect. And Americans have had plenty of time to prepare and strategize on how to defend against the wolf that's at our door once again. Firearms will only be a small part of that defense but we will have them.

Paul7 said:

I have no idea why any gun owner would vote for a Democrat.

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No, I'm not voting Democrat, but I do understand why. Until the Republicans can get a decent candidate that is not crazy, it will be hard to sell to reasonable people. I refuse to vote for Trump, but might have considered some of the other candidates despite my distaste for many of the social stances.

Elkins45 said:

This is the link that caused me to unsubscribe from the All Outdoors newsletter over the weekend. I suffer enough rabble rousing and tinfoil hat nuttery as it is: the last thing I need is more of it in my inbox.

The NSA knows about the guns Uncle Bob gave you in 1974--please!

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Another tin foil hat gov't conspiracy theory by some nut job writer that won't use a full name.

When people get tired of this infringement they will do something about it. So far nobody seems to care enough or possibly they really want the gov't to run their lives for them so they don't have to think about anything anymore. I think it's the latter.