'What You Don't Know About Legal Machine Guns'.

Red Wind · Aug 15, 2016

Since the Miami Herald is Americas most anti-gun major newspaper, it amazed me to see this article in print.

True, Glenn Garvin is their only regular conservative columnist, an ex-war correspondent whose Dad served for 21 years in the U.S,Army and brought his sons up with a 2A mindset.

Still, Mr.Garvin had to of worked really hard to get this one by the Herald Honchos!

Here is the story.

The instructor’s face wore a frown, and I was worried that I’d committed some safety violation that was going to get me kicked out of the rifle range. When you’re firing the same kind of machine gun that killed Osama bin Laden, a weapon that can spit out 900 bullets a minute, the rules are many, and strictly observed.

The instructor leaned closer. “Stop firing little bursts,” he urged me. “You’re not getting the real fun of the gun. This time, when you pull the trigger, keep holding it down until every bullet is gone.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article93951197.html#storylink=cpy

bearcreek · Aug 15, 2016

Not a bad article. I didn't realize that the Glock 18 was "a pistol so powerful that it’s fitted with a shoulder stock, like a rifle"

Silly me, here I thought it was a 9mm, just like my Glock 19.

Red Wind · Aug 15, 2016

Not a bad article. I didn't realize that the Glock 18 was "a pistol so powerful that it’s fitted with a shoulder stock, like a rifle" Silly me, here I thought it was a 9mm, just like my Glock 19.
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I have not fired a MG since I left the US Army in 1970. So I have no current knowledge. I do have the residual fact that all my hearing is gone except for maybe 5%.

Much of it can be traced to my time in the 68 Armored Division, and the blazing away of .30 and .50 calibers mounted on every M60. But it was all so much fun at the time!

bearcreek · Aug 15, 2016

Red Wind said:
I have not fired a MG since I left the US Army in 1970. So I have no current knowledge.

My comment was sarcastic. The Glock 18 is 9mm. It's not any more powerful than any other 9mm, it's just capable of emptying the magazine faster.

243winxb · Aug 15, 2016

Great article

From the link

An automatic M-16 that used to go for $300 in 1986 is a $27,000 gun today.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article93951197.html#storylink=cpy

The $300 price seems low, unless that was dealer price?

[/URL][/IMG] IN 1979 = $631.26 Today, is correct at $27,000. http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/?db=nfafirearms&category=All+Items+in+this+Category&query=category&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=headlines&website=&language=&session_key=

Red Wind · Aug 15, 2016

I knew you were being sarcastic, Bear. :what:

I just wanted to get in that pic of the tank!

Dave P · Aug 15, 2016

Red, I can't see the tank - can you make it bigger ?!?!

Red Wind · Aug 15, 2016

Maybe, Dave!

243win, I can call Glenn and ask him where he got that $300 quote from 1986.

243winxb · Aug 15, 2016

Quote is from Ruben Mendiola, a well know dealer. No need to ask, thank you.

Red Wind · Aug 15, 2016

OK. I forgot that part. Read the article several days ago.

CraigC · Aug 15, 2016

The Miami Herald is the newspaper that printed the names and addresses of every concealed carry license holder in the state. Including police officers. A news station in Orlando did the same thing later on, prompting a new law prohibiting it.

HankB · Aug 15, 2016

The Miami Herald is the newspaper that printed the names and addresses of every concealed carry license holder in the state. Including police officers. A news station in Orlando did the same thing later on, prompting a new law prohibiting it.

After that happened, didn't someone research the names and addresses of editors, reporters, and other staff at the paper and publish THAT information, too?

Red Wind · Aug 15, 2016

Maybe. I know that was done with the,Roanoke, Virginia newspaper editors in 2007. Also, perhaps the Cleveland Plain Dealer editors about the same time period.

jmorris · Aug 16, 2016

a weapon that can spit out 900 bullets a minute,

If it had a 900 round magazine...

No need for a stock on a full auto Glock, they are controllable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c7OZoOBYc0

orionengnr · Sep 3, 2016

First sentence:

Machine guns are acquired by the ranges with federal firearms-dealer licenses, and though they can’t be resold except to military, police or other authorized agencies,

Ermmm...what?

Countless millions of Americans do not know the difference between a semiautomatic assault rifle, like the ones used in those two shootings, which fire one bullet each time you pull the trigger, and fully automatic machine guns like I fired last week, which keep spitting out bullets continuously.

I'm beginning to smell an idiot....

rromeo · Sep 3, 2016

The first sentence can be correct. I doubt that many ranges rent out transferrable machine guns when dealer samples are a lot cheaper.

wilkinsonarms · Sep 3, 2016

Wonder where they got that 543,000 number for the number of transferable mg's. I thought it was well under 200K? Also there's no permit, it's a tax stamp.

CapnMac · Sep 4, 2016

Also there's no permit, it's a tax stamp.

As a guess, that's an editor "simplifying" the author's text to fit column-inch formatting (have to sell the ads somehow).

So, the distinction between a Title I dealer's license and the tax stamp for individual transfer were conflated by someone who did not understand the difference in the distinction. Many modern print stories are spoilt in this way.

mboylan · Sep 6, 2016

rromeo said:
The first sentence can be correct. I doubt that many ranges rent out transferrable machine guns when dealer samples are a lot cheaper.

That and most people in the know, estimate that only around 100,000 transferable machine guns are in private hands. The other 87,000 or so belong to museums and law enforcement agencies.

I do not know what his 533,000 number signifies, but it is not transferable machine guns. It may be the number of dealer samples still on the books.

AlexanderA · Sep 8, 2016

The total number of items in the NFA registry is highly misleading. Remember that police agencies, as well as individuals, are required to register their items. The total is inflated by expendable munitions (such as flash bangs) registered as Destructive Devices by police agencies. In addition, there has been a recent surge in registered suppressors and short-barreled rifles. Add to that non-transferable machine guns (dealer samples) held by SOT dealers and manufacturers.

The number of transferable machine guns in this country is somewhere around 180,000, I would guess. And the number of owners is far less, since "machine gun people" usually own multiple guns. They are also not uniformly distributed around the country, due to varying state laws.

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