Considering Getting Out of 40 S&W, Your Thoughts?

BJJ223 said:

I think the 9mm thing is one of the most ridiculous "bandwagon" things I have ever seen in firearms. Just because the FBI chooses a smaller round to arm females and wimpy desk type agents, does not mean it is the best round for the average person.

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The suggestion that the FBI chose the 9mm for the reasons listed is just about as ludicrous as the idea that the 'average' shooter can do better. Let me clue you in... the 'average shooter' is going to be in for one heck of a surprise if they ever have to use a handgun in self-defense, and it's not going to be a happy one. If anyone needs a helping hand it's the 'average shooter', and there's no better helping hand than practice. To that end, there's absolutely no better round than the 9mm (shy of the .22 lr) in terms of getting range time in (unless your pockets are bottomless).

Another important factor for both FBI agents and 'average shooter' alike is magazine capacity, since chances are good that if they do get in a gunfight, most of their rounds won't be hitting their intended target. The need to potentially engage multiple assailants was part of the FBI's decision-making process.

BJJ223 said:

This is the same FBI that is allowing the biggest criminal in politics to run for President. Excuse me if I question their judgement.

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Which means absolutely nothing. It's not like the FBI is one person. You've never seen the people making decisions about caliber selection on TV.

BJJ223 said:

The .40 caliber is more snappy than the 9mm because it hits harder. Shoot a 180 grain bullet and you have a superior round to any 9mm.

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Recoil isn't something that can be discounted from a discussion on defensive calibers. The ability to put follow-up shots rapidly on target is an important consideration, regardless of sex, build, or size. Saying one caliber is better than another because it produces more force means little to nothing... especially if you don't hit your target. Even if you do - it's pretty much accepted that statistically - there's hardly any difference in fight stopping ability between any of the major calibers. Shot placement is key, followed by no small measure of luck. The 9mm vs 40 argument is played out because it's pointless. To say one is 'superior' to the other is to admit you haven't really put a lot of thought into all the variables involved.

My SR40-C holds 15 in the mag and my SR9-C holds 17 in the mag. Not much difference there.

KCOFOHIO,

I'm still kinda interested in why you want the buyer to have a CCW license as a condition of the sale.

tipoc

Arizona does rock. But, you are wrong on this topic.

Sure, if you are arming non shooters. Give them a 9mm. They will shoot it once a year. And, like you said, if they have to use it they will be dependent on blind luck to survive.

For a well trained shooter who has skills, he will be better off with a .40 shooting 180 grain projectiles. All the bullet design that supposedly turned the 9mm into a viable cartridge today also applies to the .40 caliber as well. Except the .40 will do it with a bullet carrying more energy and more momentum.

P.S. Why would you trust any decision of an agency as corrupt as the FBI to choose your caliber? If they will let a criminal run for president and screw the country, they would screw their agents by picking a sub par round. You mistakenly think they were objective about caliber selection. That was political too.

Kevin,

I'll take a pass on the caliber wars, but in regards to selling these items as a package or individually, I'm wondering if selling it as a package will turn away potential buyers. Someone looking for a handgun may not want the carbine, and vice versa. Cost also comes into play, in that by selling everything as a package you're limiting buyers to people who can afford all items. I'd consider an either or option. List the price for all items, and for the individual items as well.

Tom

As to the package deal, if I were buying a pistol and carbine and reloading dies, here's how much extra I'd pay for someone else's reloads that I'll need to pull: $0. Maybe less. You might actually have to pay me to haul them away.

bds said:

Too bad OP is not local as I would have PMed an offer already.

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As to 40S&W, I love the caliber! But I also love 9mm! And love 45ACP!

.40S&W with 180 gr premium defense ammo is a superb choice, ESPECIALLY with a platform that is as wonderfully soft-shooting as the M&P40 is.

I would not sell that M&P40, nor the reloading equipment.

One day ammo will be either registered or taxed out of affordability. If you're set up to reload, you will have a big advantage.

The craze to abandon .40 in favor of 9mm is vastly over-rated. And, as has been said, the FBI move to 9mm was driven by catering to women and desk jockeys, and lowering ammo cost. 9mm isn't a bad caliber at all, but .40S&W has better terminal ballistics and is a great defense caliber. I think the smart money hangs onto its .40S&W pistols and ammo. In fact, I'm adding more .40S&W pistols to my stable (Sig P320 Full size 40 and Carry 40).

The M&P40 is definitely a KEEPER.

I would part with the carbine based on your lack of use. Or sell them both separately, nut go shoot up the reloads with reckless abandon and see if you don't enjoy the pistol. There is nothing wrong with .40 in a decent platform, and its not better or worse than 9 or 45 if you can use it well. If not then dump it, but sell it all individually. It will take time, but you will end up with more cash at the end. I would keep the pistol though unless you don't shoot it well. Just my opinion though, and i dumped my g22 because it was my only 40, not because i didn't like it...

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You may be happy to have a .40 around November. Last panic 9mm was nowhere to be found for quite a few months.

If you don't get any use or enjoyment out of the .40s any more, then I agree with the people who have suggested you sell everything as a package deal. I would look around at what the guns you're selling go for and price a little above that because of the synergy you have created by having everything in one place.

Guns, Dies, Brass, Bullets!
Just add primers and powder and you're shooting cheap!

I was looking to sell my 2nd Gen Glock 22 until I switched to a stainless steel guide rod and a 22lb. spring. Now it's actually tolerable to shoot.

I'm thinking about a Glock 23 if I can get a good deal on one.

I used to be one of those .4 and above caliber guys. I carried .40's and .45's. Over the years my opinion has changed. I got rid of all my .4 caliber guns. I now mostly carry 9mm or .32 ACP. If I need a bigger gun will find a rifle.

I wouldn't get rid of it because the writers and experts say it's not needed. After all, these same people sang the virtues of the .40 a few years ago. You have to ask what their motive is for being against the cartridge.

My opinion, it will be back in a few more years or a new cartridge will take over.

Between 9mm, .40 and .45 my favorite is the .45 acp. Never liked the 9mm, especially with light bullets. I've always favored the 147 gr in that cartridge. The .45 acp just does the job for me.

Whatever you wish

Make your decision based on what you want and not what the FBI or any other agency decides. I just in the last year acquired 2 40 M&Ps a 40 and a 40C from Buds VIA their excellent police trade in sales. I am not sorry in any way and I do also have 2 9s as well as a 45 ACP. A person can not have too many calibers, guns or ammo for that matter. My wife doesn't agree with this but she will get over it SOME DAY.

I like 9MM Hi-Powers and .45 Colts. I have no doubt that the .40 is a good caliber, but at this point in my life I want to keep things simple. Besides, between a .40 and a .45, I doubt a bad guy could tell the difference.

It is nice to live in a country where we have so many options and are free to choose what appeals to us personally. I find it hard to fathom all the hate that is being piled up on .40 caliber pistols. I can remember back when .41 mags were the objects of the same type of opinions being offered here.....and they are still out there performing as they should. It seems to me that once something starts getting the negative comments, more people keep climbing on the bandwagon to try and fit into the current caliber trends.
I have a few .40's still hanging around here along with lots of other calibers, and can find nothing wrong with them....but I try not to be negatively influenced by things like what's currently popular with the FBI or things like that. I occasionally grab a .40 or whatever to shoot a pig with and you know what.....they still work!
You can dump your .40's as a package, split the package up...or just keep the whole shebang to enjoy in the future. The choice is yours....

The only people I see buying firearms chambered in 40 S&W are either "new" to firearms, or don't think too much about guns in general.

I got out of the 40/357 Sig game several years ago.....don't miss 'em a bit. Want to shoot a .40 bullet? Buy a 10mm!

wow6599 said:

Want to shoot a .40 bullet? Buy a 10mm!

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Unless it's an M1911, you'd better have hands like an orangutan.

I've only shot .40 S&W out of a full size Beretta 96. Big heavy gun. handles the recoil great. I've shot both a D action and an FS. Gotta say the D action was more accurate. Both tame the .40 recoil just fine.

wow6599 said:

The only people I see buying firearms chambered in 40 S&W are either "new" to firearms, or don't think too much about guns in general.

I got out of the 40/357 Sig game several years ago.....don't miss 'em a bit. Want to shoot a .40 bullet? Buy a 10mm!

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Not true. I am 3/4 of a century in age and have had guns since I was old enough. My son has had a 40 M&P for quite a while. I had done all of the hand loading for the son and shot his many times. As soon as the 40s came on the market at Bud's Gun Shop at a price that I could handle I jumped right at it for a 40C. That was so good that I also got a full sized M&P 40. Making generalizations is not always the correct thing to. Not everyone fits the general mold.