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Funny how gun folks will bicker back and forth about correct terminology and names and accept it as "we all know hat it means" but if the media incorrectly uses a term or or incorrectly describes anything gun related it calls for a hanging?
Rather than worry about 45 Colt vs 45 Long Colt, maybe start using "caliber" and "cartrdige"/"chambering" correctly. :neener:

Everybody knows 9mm and .357 sig and 9x18 makarov and .380 auto are different calibers though, and if everybody knows it, it must be true! lol

An awful lot of 'gun people' do use caliber incorrectly. If you are comparing 9/.40/.45, you can use caliber though, so a lot accidentally/unknowingly get it right too lol
 
What is it about the subject of guns and ammo that brings out the blowhard in people? Or worse yet, a battle of the blowhards? Is it that we are all brothers and sisters, so we're all in a competition? Seriously. I cannot think of one other subject where people with a little knowledge try to out-expert each other. OP, you can tell your buddies that the caliber is usually marked on the barrel, and that is the only ammo he or she should use.
 
After shaking my head so hard I thought I was going to give myself a concussion I told him that would be a really bad idea.

What ever happened to that old saying, "there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers!"? Your co-worker/friend looked to you for sincere advice on something he knew little about, and you feel the need to ridicule him on the internet for it.

This is something I see far too much on internet gun forums. Folks creating a thread ridiculing folks with little firearm knowledge in a vain attempt to make themselves appear somehow superior. Probably the same reason the OP started with this sentence....."It has been getting around at work that I am quite the "gun guy.".

If in fact you are the "gun guy" at work you should appreciate the fact that others come to you to answer their questions. No reason to condescend folks because of lack of knowledge, when they are trying to gain more. Attitudes like this are why we gun owners are seen by many non-gun owners as having a "chip on our shoulder". We need to dump that chip in order to promote our sport.
 
".45 Long Colt" is the most stubborn kind of vernacular--it is military vernacular. Probably not so wrong if "long" were lower case.

It's easy to see how it came about. There were .38 and .41 long and short Colts that straddled the heeled bullet to inside lubricated bullet era (the .38 shrunk the bullet to .357, the .41 kept the same bullet diameter and enlarged the case). The .45 Colt was the inside lubricated follow-on to the .44 Colt and went with the larger brass route. During the time the military was issuing both the Colt and S&W Schofield, the latter's rim was initially too large to fit in the Colt until the Colt Rim was added to the Schofield case with the new M1887 round which replaced both allowing it to be used in either revolver. Eventually the Army only issued the M1887 but for a long time the rounds existed side by side and we can imagine the troops taking about the long and short rounds for their Colt--> "long" and "short" Colt.

On the other hand there are lots of gun guys who insist on dichotomies that don't exist and keep talking about "STANAG mags".
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Back when I was a teen-ager, and knew everything, I knew they were properly called "magazines."

One of my high-school teachers, who had been a Marine Gunny in WWII, kept talking about putting a "clip" in his "45 automatic."

You probably know this now...but in your teacher's time in the Corps, they WOULD have used "clip" to distinguish from "magazine" which in USMC/Navy usage is a secured shipboard compartment used to store ordnance, pyrotechnics, and other explosive or flammable materials.
 
As I got the story, the term ".45 Long Colt" is from the Army. There were also "45 Schofield" cartridges in the inventory, which were shorter. Rather in the manner of .22 Short and Long Rifle, one would work in the other, but not the other way around. It was thus needful to have a term to tell them apart.
 
Your friend might be smarter than you're giving him credit for. He had an idea and tried to confirm if it was prudent or not with someone more knowledgeable than himself. I call that kind of smart considering lots of people would have learned the hard way.
 
The clip vs magazine debate is foolish. Everyone knows either one is referring to a "bullet holder thingy".
 
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What ever happened to that old saying, "there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers!"? Your co-worker/friend looked to you for sincere advice on something he knew little about, and you feel the need to ridicule him on the internet for it.

This is something I see far too much on internet gun forums. Folks creating a thread ridiculing folks with little firearm knowledge in a vain attempt to make themselves appear somehow superior. Probably the same reason the OP started with this sentence....."It has been getting around at work that I am quite the "gun guy.".

If in fact you are the "gun guy" at work you should appreciate the fact that others come to you to answer their questions. No reason to condescend folks because of lack of knowledge, when they are trying to gain more. Attitudes like this are why we gun owners are seen by many non-gun owners as having a "chip on our shoulder". We need to dump that chip in order to promote our sport.

I did not ridicule him in the slightest. This particular co-worker and I have many conversations about politics, religion, guns, company policy, military etc. I engaged him. Asking questions about his firearm knowledge and thought process. And I recommended to him not to try his idea. And to my knowledge he hasn't. You are somehow assuming my hyperbole in the original post and the story I share is ridicule.

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Your friend might be smarter than you're giving him credit for. He had an idea and tried to confirm if it was prudent or not with someone more knowledgeable than himself. I call that kind of smart considering lots of people would have learned the hard way.

Exactly. I thanked him for thinking of me before trying something that may very well get him hurt.
 
The clip vs magazine debate is foolish. Everyone knows either one is referring to a "bullet holder thingy".
I just showed this to my wife, who said "There, see? I told you".

I think you made her day ... lol.
 
This particular co-worker and I have many conversations about politics, religion, guns, company policy, military etc.

I'm glad you can have that kind of conversation with coworkers. It's not frequent where I work and I see it passing from the American scene.

I cannot think of one other subject where people with a little knowledge try to out-expert each other.

I think this is the reason why - and that was the point of my first post in the thread. IIRC the OP's point is the wrong stuff we hear about guns, and in my case I had someone who wasn't knowledgeable at all about guns explaining the intricacies of offensive and defensive ammo statutes - which don't even exist in law locally. At all.

He's knowledgeable on other subjects and we see eye to eye on a lot of other stuff, so I just let it pass over without getting into it. It would require requalifying my credibility which he's already aware of. I don't need to prop up my ego and be The Man Who Knows All About Guns at my workplace (and I'm not saying the OP does that, either.)

But it does go to a constant social jockeying in conversation where one person attempts to place themselves as the "better" guy and who can tell everyone else what is what. I generally find that the more they push that concept the more they are a blowhard who lack substantive knowledge or experience.

It's attributed to Mark Twain - don't argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. As time goes on I'm less inclined to even listen to them, or insert my opinion in a conversation as it ruffles their feathers. They get defensive because they see that input as putting them in their place. That's where the problem lies - somebody DOES know more about it than any one of us do, so what we should be doing is listening to them.

For the most part now, tho, we get to listen to some really uninformed and even dangerous ideas which are usually presented for their social impact, not their factual basis.
 
As "quite the gun guy," you should know there is no such thing as "45 Long Colt." There is .45 Colt, .45 ACP, and .45 Schofield. Oh, the Cowboy Action Shooters have popularized a .45 Colt Short powder puff load, so maybe you are not wrong.
I had someone tell me that, my response was look at the box of ammo at Walmart, it says .45 long colt, not .45 colt. So let's not split hairs.

Yesterday some guys walked into the gunshop blaring rap music (turned it off after a few seconds) and asked if they could film a music video in the shop holding guns. Haha. You can guess the response and they left soon after.
 
> dichotomies that don't exist

Like the people who think "pistol" applies only to autoloading handguns.

Funny, Sam Colt, Dan Wesson, and others called their products "revolving pistols."
 
What is it about the subject of guns and ammo that brings out the blowhard in people? Or worse yet, a battle of the blowhards? Is it that we are all brothers and sisters, so we're all in a competition? Seriously. I cannot think of one other subject where people with a little knowledge try to out-expert each other. ...
Thank you for sharing this acute and well-stated observation. Thinking about your post will have me smiling all day. :)
 
Tirod...
Damn...I didn't know that. And here I've been carrying a .45 ACP for the last 5 years. Douglas County Sheriff even knows what I carry.
 
It has been getting around at work that I am quite the "gun guy." So I get asked questions about guns, military stuff etc.

With such a title of "Gun Guy" goes all that burden of tremendous responsibility. The good news in this case is the fellow with the idea of shooting a 30-30 Winchester in his 45 Colt / .410 Shotgun cartridge gun came to you before trying the idea. Being the "gun guy" is a job with responsibility and additionally requires great patience. You are included in a chosen few, be happy. :)

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As "quite the gun guy," you should know there is no such thing as "45 Long Colt."

Well there's this:
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and this:

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and this:

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and if that's not enough, here's Colt's take on it:

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The 45 Long Colt name has been used since 1875 to distinguish it from the 45 Schofield.
 
Like the people who think "pistol" applies only to autoloading handguns.

Funny, Sam Colt, Dan Wesson, and others called their products "revolving pistols."

And prior to that we had the world of flintlock and percussion pistols before revolvers and autos were ever conceived of.
 
I thought somebody would have said it by now, no one has, so I will.:

Firing a 30-30 round in a 45 Colt chamber will result in......nothing much happening. As soon as pressure starts to build, and long before it gets very high, the bullet will pop out of the case. Now you have a 30 caliber bullet wandering around in a 45 caliber bore, and what little pressure that has built up will blow past the bullet and disappear. You will get a loud pop and the bullet probably won't go twenty feet. Unburned powder will be all over the place.

And you will have ruined a perfectly good 30-30 case for reloading. At least you can pick up the bullet and re-load THAT.
 
I had a college acquaintance that tried to assure me that he could convert his sks to fully automatic and it would be legal. I told him no, and he thankfully didn't actually intend to do so, but insisted to the end of the conversation that it would be ok because he saw it on youtube.
 
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