in new leaks, H plans for gun control via EO's

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What could she possibly do that king O hasn't already?

imposing manufacturer liability.

:rolleyes:

They have the same liability as all other goods manufacturers. To make them more liable, as in allowing frivolous lawsuits, is in direct conflict with LPCAA. Last I checked, EO doesn't nullify laws passed by congress and signed by a former president.

Who the bleep does this woman think she is? Does she really believe that just because she got away with murder, she can do anything?

Not that her delusions come as a surprise.........
 
If you parse the quoted sentence, the EO bit applies only to "closing the gun show loophole." Obviously she couldn't impose strict manufacturer liability, or enact "universal background checks," by EO

I would be worried more about an "assault weapons ban" done by administrative action.
 
That's not going to stop the hoarding dolts who will clear every shelf and rack of ammo and gun at every gun store in the US come November 9th.
 
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That's not going to stop the hoarding dolts who will clear every shelf and rack of ammo and gun at every gun store in the US come November 9th.

Boy, you got that right. When she gets elected there is going to be a huge run on ammo and guns AGAIN.

And anybody that isn't ready for that is going to be suffering just like the last time.

Be warned.

Be ready.


It is our responsibility to keep ammo on hand for our guns. Don't get caught with your pants down!
 
Don't think she wouldn't try. Give her a supreme court and a chance and she will!

Don't forget it was "H" who pointed the finger at US in Mexico regarding U.S. sold guns making it to cartels / drug trafficers hands. (this is before the "Gun Running" / "Fast & Furious" scandal broke.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/26/world/americas/26mexico.html?_r=0

And she's restated that she'd like to re-instate the Assault Weapons Ban during this and prior election cycles.

Don't think she wont!
 
Actually they could by just changing the definition of who is a dealer. If you make any person that sells a firearm for any reason, a dealer then all sales would have to have a background check.

And dealer wasn't defined by law it was by regulation
 
Internet loophole.

I can buy a gun from someone in another state. He still has to take the gun to his FFL (federally licensed gun dealer) in his state who ships it to my FFL in my state who performs state and federal background checks on me. One local gun dealer handles such interstate transfers for $65. It would have to be a really special deal on a high quality gun or special collectible. In most cases it's a deal killer, like: $65 fees to buy a $40 AR lower on the internet when I can buy one locally for $60 + $10 dealer BG transfer?

"Internet loophole" implies to the ignorant that you can order a gun on the internet and bypass federal and state gun control laws. That's not how it works.
 
I think she'll have a tough time. Gun owners were easy to bully 20 years ago, when relatively few people owned guns. Since the internet came and the number of gun owners ballooned, it'll be much tougher going forward for them to enact crazy laws or bans.

I also think the majority of people have already done their panic buying. The last time I stocked up for a panic was Y2K.

She is evil and corrupt, but I think a panic is unneeded.
 
President can't create law. That power lies in Congress. But fear mongers will keep spreading fear.
If the law is sufficiently broad-reaching and vague, a President/executive branch can creatively reinterpret existing law to criminalize things that were intended to remain legal. There are multiple avenues, under the existing National Firearms Act as amended by the GCA, by which semiautos, pump/semiauto shotguns, etc. could be shifted to Title 2 instead of Title 1 by executive order. Clinton the First did exactly that with revolving-cylinder shotguns. Obama floated a trial balloon of a similar approach with ammunition under the 1986/1994 AP bullet ban, by creatively redefining ".22 caliber" to mean "exactly 0.2200000 inch" instead of the common .22 caliber bore size (0.224) it was intended to exempt, and redefining the word "core" to refer to tiny pieces of the core instead of the actual core. There are also any number of approaches that could be used to harass/shut down shooting ranges or restrict lead ammunition under existing environmental law, restrict concealed carry in workplaces under existing workplace-safety law, restrict .50 BMG's, etc. etc. etc. Obama has also started restricting home gunsmithing via existing ITAR regulations, and threatened some gun-related online speech with ITAR, and could conceivably use some facets of ITAR creatively to restrict high-end optics, magazines, or other items. The political backlash would be staggering (1994 times ten), but that didn't stop Hickenlooper in CO and it may not stop an authoritarian zealot like Clinton seems to be.

The recent sweeping ban on the majority of detachable-magazine semiautos in Massachusetts, not by a new law being passed but rather by a middle-of-the-night edict by the Attorney General, is a cautionary example, and the same billionaire control freak that caused the Colorado debacle and helped bring AG Healey to power in MA is heavily backing Hillary.

She is evil and corrupt, but I think a panic is unneeded.
I don't think "panic" is justified, but I do think reasonable hedging is wise. The *only* people who can now legally own even ban-compliant AR-15's, etc. in Massachusetts are those who went out and bought one prior to AG Healey's dictatorial edict.

I *lived* through the first Clinton administration, and had come of age as a gun owner fairly recently when the Clintons were elected. I went ten years without the rifle stock I wanted, and paid way more than I should have for magazines, because I foolishly chose not to hedge against the 1994 Feinstein law (my dad said "that won't pass; this is America"; he was wrong). I certainly hope that wiser heads prevail this time and that Clinton drops the prohibitionist shtick after the election if she wins, but reasonable hedging against the possibility that she won't is not "panic", it is prudence.
 
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Internet loophole.

I can buy a gun from someone in another state. He still has to take the gun to his FFL (federally licensed gun dealer) in his state who ships it to my FFL in my state who performs state and federal background checks on me. One local gun dealer handles such interstate transfers for $65. It would have to be a really special deal on a high quality gun or special collectible. In most cases it's a deal killer, like: $65 fees to buy a $40 AR lower on the internet when I can buy one locally for $60 + $10 dealer BG transfer?

"Internet loophole" implies to the ignorant that you can order a gun on the internet and bypass federal and state gun control laws. That's not how it works.
Not exactly right. Each state governs whether or not you must use an in-state FFL to ship out of state. Most do not, but some do. You may benefit from lower shipping costs by doing so though, even in states where it is not required. Of course on the receiving side an FFL must be used to comply with federal law.
 
What could she possibly do that king O hasn't already?

A lot. Obama has at least has some sense of the limits of presidential authority and has worked within them. Hillary has no such limitation. To her the only thing that matters is that her will be done and never mind technicalities like separation of powers, rule of law and the constitution.

Remember the last Clinton administration tried to blackmail gun manufacturers to change the way they made and distributed guns by threatening lawsuits, even though the manufacturers were following existing law.

So you're right in the sense that there isn't a lot she can do legally that Obama hasn't done already, but that won't stop her.
 
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