Busting Garand Myths
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Reloadron
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The author did a nice job of combining humor with his presented material.
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good video dispels BS war stories
entropy
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Well done! Dispels some myths with humor; Not sure about "Frankenrifle" 
looks like an Enfield and an AK got busy.....
looks like an Enfield and an AK got busy.....
I enjoyed the video. From my experience with a Garand, I agree with all his comments.
I fired a Service Rifle match next to a fellow shooting a Garand. Never heard the ping from his rifle, I was too busy worrying about my shooting and fumbling with magazine changes. I can't imagine hearing the ping in the middle of a fire fight 50 or 100 or more yards away.
I fired a Service Rifle match next to a fellow shooting a Garand. Never heard the ping from his rifle, I was too busy worrying about my shooting and fumbling with magazine changes. I can't imagine hearing the ping in the middle of a fire fight 50 or 100 or more yards away.
Dog Soldier
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The old M-1 is a pleasure to own and shoot. I have 2 Garands from my days shooting military matches. These were DCM rifles. I also wear a scared right thumb from an M-1 "Thumb" injury. I can tell you this that is extremely painful.
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The British accent alone makes for good humor.
DougW
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Both are good video's! I had to "retire" from 3 gun, and I was planning to shoot one more match with my M1, Ithica 37, and 1911 just to have fun. Knee's prevented that from happening though.
From a curmudgeons viewpoint posting a video with no text listing the salient comments is akin to a driveby posting. Forums are text based.
What points were made in the video, and why are they different from what might be normally accepted discussion over the Garand? I trained with it long ago and I'm also aware of the controversy surrounding it's fielding at the time and why it was considered capable of getting the soldier killed because of defective design. Was any of that brought out in the video?
What points were made in the video, and why are they different from what might be normally accepted discussion over the Garand? I trained with it long ago and I'm also aware of the controversy surrounding it's fielding at the time and why it was considered capable of getting the soldier killed because of defective design. Was any of that brought out in the video?
Sistema1927
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Tirod, are you talking about the Garand or the M16?
GBExpat
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I liked the initial Bloke video, thanks. 
It is hard for me to believe that anyone who has any shooting experience, especially without hearing protection, has ever bought into that Ping-Ejection-Sound-Tells-The-Enemy-You're-Empty silliness.
Bloke failed to mention the 2nd way to suffer M1 Thumb ... when the bolt isn't really locked back but is actually resting against the back of the follower just waiting for the slightest vibration to take a bite.
I'm sure that there is still some of my blood embedded in my basement concrete from when I learned that hard lesson many years ago.
It is hard for me to believe that anyone who has any shooting experience, especially without hearing protection, has ever bought into that Ping-Ejection-Sound-Tells-The-Enemy-You're-Empty silliness.
Bloke failed to mention the 2nd way to suffer M1 Thumb ... when the bolt isn't really locked back but is actually resting against the back of the follower just waiting for the slightest vibration to take a bite.
I'm sure that there is still some of my blood embedded in my basement concrete from when I learned that hard lesson many years ago.
lysanderxiii
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Just a note - All STV's have a bolt hold-open.
Almost all "M1 thumbs" are created a few milliseconds after the "T" in "Port Arms!" during "Inspection Arms", not at the range....
(Inspection Arms with the M1918 BAR was by far the easiest thing in the manual of arms at the time, in fact the M1918 manual of arms as a whole is the easiest of all.)
Almost all "M1 thumbs" are created a few milliseconds after the "T" in "Port Arms!" during "Inspection Arms", not at the range....
(Inspection Arms with the M1918 BAR was by far the easiest thing in the manual of arms at the time, in fact the M1918 manual of arms as a whole is the easiest of all.)
GBExpat
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<chuckle> Yes they do ... there was an SVT-40 in that video? I must confess that I skipped forward several times to bypass some of the BlahBlahBlah.
lysanderxiii
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He said some don't while making the point that a Garand is faster loading than some of the other 10 round semi-autos....<chuckle> Yes they do ... there was an SVT-40 in that video? I must confess that I skipped forward several times to bypass some of the BlahBlahBlah.
The fact that an enbloc-clip is faster in reloading than anything else, including detachable magazines*, is something 'everybody knew' until the invention of the internet.
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*unless you are willing to dump your magazines on the ground an risk loosing them, something the military was never willing to do.
There's been a lot of B.S. for decades about how slow the old M1 Garand was to reload, mostly from people who'd never spent a minute of time practicing the ejection and reloading of en bloc clips stuffed with dummy rounds.
Like anything else requiring some amount of manual dexterity, if you actually practice loading clips into an M1 you'd be surprised how fast you can become and not fumble it. To me, honing your reloading technique with the M1 bears a direct analogy to reloading the 1911. Apart from marksmanship, the most important and primary skill with the 1911 is getting it back into the fight after it goes to slide-lock. That's why Jeff Cooper harped so much on perfecting one's skill at a fumble-free reload until it was second-nature. Same applies to the M1 - and it is do-able with practice.
I've seen a couple of folks who were a bit quicker getting loaded clips into their M1s, but this young dude still does a respectable job loading his rifle at a 3-Gun match:
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