Armi San Marco .36 caliber

Berkley said:

Woodlander - August 1996 EMF catalog and price list.

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Thanks !
Do you collect old catalogues ?

Catalogs, books, magazines. Guns, fixed blade knives, pocket knives, swords. Hats and walking sticks.
Collecting is a form of addiction for me, I guess.

Excellent ! There are so many worse things one can be addicted to...
May I take advantage, and ask you for some help ?
I try and gather as much info as I can on two topics : the 1851 Navy Colt for one, and the GLB replicas for another.
Would you have any article or piece of info about these you'd be willing to share with me ?
I am also interested in old catalogues (from the 1960s or early 1970s) of black powder replicas.

Some useful info on the 1851 Navy can be found on the American Society of Arms Collectors' website, in an illustrated article by Nathan Swayze.

Yes, I have downloaded it, and then I bought Swayze's book, which I found very interesting and quite thorough. But, it was published back in 1967, and I surmise there would be some more info to be found nowadays, almost 50 years later. I have also found a few articles that were published mainly in "the gun report" over the years. In fact, I am always on the lookout for anything 1851 Navy related.

Berkley - I got all excited about your page being from another importer!!!

I did not notice that EMF had changed their stock numbers.

My EMF 1997 M-D page is exactly the same as your '96 page including the newer stock numbers.

I guess the copy and graphics are probably EMF's after all!

Dr. Davis also has expressed curiosity about the "GLB" marked revolvers.

ASM was started by Giuseppe Buffoli.

His Hallmark/Logo, on the shotguns he made before diving into the Civil War reproduction market, was an encircled Griffin, standing with one forepaw on the capital letters "GB."

The "L" in "GLB" could be his middle initial or the first initial of another family member who joined in the early years of ASM.

If he was not sure how his reproductions would reflect on his fancy engraved shotgun business, he may have used the "GLB" as a transition mark.

I wonder if know "GLB" revolvers' manufacturing dates stop when ASM's dates start?

Just curious myself!!!

I just found this with Fingers' ID of the "GLB" mark:

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/anyone-recognize-this-mark.722260/#post-9015771

I hope he doesn't mind me speaking for him.

Thanks for these info, which are new to me. May I ask where did you find them ? I have searched everywhere (or so I thought) without finding any hint.
From what I could find, GLB manufactured black powder replicas from 1963 to 1971. While his production was imported in the U.S.A. by EIG, GLB only ever made Schneider & Glassick replicas, plain or engraved. When F.I.E. took over from Eig, GLB started producing a brass frame Pocket 1848 replica, a brass frame 1851, and a 44 caliber brass frame 1851. He also produced 2 long arms : a so-called Berdan rifle, and a Kentucky or Tennesse (depending on sources) rifle.
Now, beyond these replicas, the same GLB logo can be seen on Saturday Night Specials and shotguns.
My researches lead me to believe that the italian maker Luciano Giacosa was behind the GLB logo, but there is no definitve proof for it, and I woild accept any proof showing that I am wrong.
Here is a link to a post I made on a french forum about the GLB story : http://repliquesoldwest.superforum.fr/t9905-giacosa-luciano-brescia-glb

I just see your latest message. Nevertheless, if you have anything to support the Giuseppe Buffoli solution, I'd be most interested to know.

Woodlander - I was just guessing and since GLB's are found with dates after ASM marked and dated revolvers are know, I will have to bow to Ringo's extensive evidence.

Ringo care of Poudre Noire - Excellent detective work!

You have me blushing...
Just one other thing about the assertion that GLB evolved into Euroarms and then into Pietta : Pietta itself was founded in 1960, before the first GLB firearms we know of. Furthermore, Euroarms still exist (check http://www.euroarms.net) . They do not maintain the same profle as they did, but they are still there.
I do respect Fingers's wide knowledge in the muzzleloaders area, but I think he's been misled there.

As you have guessed, Ringo is my user name on that french forum. I could not use it here, as it seems there is already another Ringo...

to Dog Soldier : sorry for hijacking your thread. Hope you don't mind too much...

You need to go back and read the thread. I never said Euroarms, I said Euromanuarms - whole different company.

From what I could find, GLB manufactured black powder replicas from 1963 to 1971. While his production was imported in the U.S.A. by EIG, GLB only ever made Schneider & Glassick replicas, plain or engraved. When F.I.E. took over from Eig, GLB started producing a brass frame Pocket 1848 replica, a brass frame 1851, and a 44 caliber brass frame 1851

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They also made nickel plated 1851 Navies. Here a consecutive serial numbered pair that were imported by FIE with a 1970 date code.

Hi Fingers ! Sorry for that mistake, I read too fast.
Still, about the fact that GLB evolved into Euromanuarms, no evidence of that has ever surfaced. I happen to own a so-called Berdan rifle replica, which bears both the GLB logo and Euromanurms marking. I also read about a shotgun bearing the Euromanuarms marking (http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=250073) and another firearm (https://www.proxibid.com/aspr/Euro-Manu-Arms/3874831/LotDetail.asp?lid=3874831).
That is all I know of, and certainly no proof of anything whatsoever. For all we know, Euromanuarms might very well be the name of a reseller or a wholesaler, who did not last long.
Also, no evidence of any kind has ever surfaced about any bond between Euromanuarms and Pietta or GLB and Pietta.
This mix-up finds its origin in the will of another French collector who wants to classify everything, whether or not he can prove whatever he states.
Anyway, many thanks too for the reminder about your nickel plated Navies. I had seen them before, but for whatever reason did not keep them in mind. I will add them to my article so I never forget again. Hopefully, you won't mind my using your photos.

PS : I use the name Ringo on that French forum, and also on the Blackposwdersmoke forums. I could not use it here, as it seems to have been taken before I registered.

Here is an example of a GLB Schneider & Glassick revolver. I acquired this one in May of this year and it is in like new condition, dated 1966.

Would it be #10959 by any chance ? I think I have seen it on an auction site (maybe GunBroker).

I've got 3 of the ASM's and all are great shooters, the quality varies some, one is a CVA and beautifully finished and fit is near perfect. Shoot it. and enjoy it. My best is a 36 cal. 1861 Colt Navy clone (the CVA).

Dog Soldier said:

Woodlander, No, I never knew their was much knowledge regarding contemporary Perc. revlovers. I can't wait to read this thread everyday. You fellows are amazing. This is like getting a Master's Degree in C&B Studies.

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Blushing again...
I think the master of us all regarding contemporary replicas of black powder revolvers is Dr Jim Davis, whose site you certainly know (http://rprca.tripod.com/). He's been working on a definitive book telling the story of BP replicas for many years, and we're all waiting impatiently for it to see the light of day.

I think the master of us all regarding contemporary replicas of black powder revolvers is Dr Jim Davis, whose site you certainly know (http://rprca.tripod.com/). He's been working on a definitive book telling the story of BP replicas for many years, and we're all waiting impatiently for it to see the light of day.

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You are right there. Publication of his book would be a boon to collectors.

Not sure if you have seen this thread on another forum regarding manufacturers. It began in 2009 and ran out of gas in 2013. http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=340072&highlight=euromanufacture

Yes, I have read this thread before, and I just read it again, thanks to you. There are some really interesting info in there. Especially the part about COM. Sebou had a good point there. I have been in touch with him and we shared info for a long while. I haven't heard of him for some time, but I think he's still trying to gather more info about obscure replica makers.
He is a very enthusiastic guy, and is prone to jumping to conclusions before he has any convincing argument to support them. Nevertheless, he does research and is very dedicated.

Woodlander (Ringo)
Yes, the serial number is 10959. The Gun is In excellent comdition. I don't think it's ever been fired.
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I have downloaded the photos from GunBroker for my collection. You have got yourself a fine revolver there. I specially like the look of the wood they used for the grip.

On the subject of Armi San Paolo Mason Dixon Commemorative, I purchased this a week ago needs some cleaning, But other then that in good condition, However the barrel wedge seems to be lose, will a regular .36 cal Navy model wedge work in it , or is there something special to order and if so were might I find it, I would like to thank you in advance for the above info as well as any info added here...The picture posted is the .36 cal in question..