AR monopod magazine?

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Interesting piece in the current Guns & Ammo dead tree edition where in the resident retired Smadge talks about digging the magazine of your AR into terra firma to stabilize the gun when shooting.

He points out that while many are religiously offended by the idea of resting a rifle on its magazine while in use that the Spec Ops community he was associated with did it, taught it, and encouraged it.

He goes on to berate those that repeat the old myth that doing so is bad.

I know exactly why thousands think this is a bad idea.

Cleaning rods.

Yes cleaning rods are to blame.

In my experience there was at least a decade in the early years of the service life of the AR rifles when cleaning rods caused folks to believe, with all their hearts that resting an M-16A1 rifle on its magazine was evil incarnate.

You see if you were on a US Army rifle range as a new trainee during that time chances were that the first time you rested your magazine on the sandbags at your firing position a cleaning rod spranged off your steel pot with a surprising and awful sound. The next time you did it a cleaning rod poked you sharply between the shoulder blades and if you dared a third attempt to create a mono pod out of your magazine a cleaning rod would sing through the air and leave a bruise across your buttocks.

Those cleaning rods were cruel in that way. They forced NCOs assigned to duty on rifle and marksmanship committees to hold them while those cleaning rods punished those too lazy to hold such a vital part of their rifle as the magazine out of the dirt.

Thus the "Don't you abuse that magazine by using it for a shovel, maggot!" became sacred text to a generation of draftees and "Modern Volunteer Soldiers" of the '60's and '70's. They in turn passed it on to their children and unto the grandchildren.

Now some folks do think it a good idea to not put stress on the magazine for fear of inducing stoppages. The old Smadge at G&A points out that with good mags this is not an issue......I could point out that from 67 to 76 the only magazines available to most AR users were the very GI issue ones a lot of us blamed many of the AR's ills on and I believe the Smadge might have been in preschool during that time, but he is correct in that a magazine that might fail from use as a mono pod is not a good thing to have anyway. Anyone else ever spend and evening under canvas arguing over "Colt verses Adventure Line" like Ginger v. Mary Ann or Jennie v. Samantha?

Any how, assuming you read this far through kBob Babble, how say yea?

Is using the magazine of an AR as a mono pod a good and useful thing or is it asking for failures and maybe the wrath of the cleaning rod PTS moments?

-kBob........................AH! Cadre in the Wire! With CLEANING RODS! AH! AH! .....oh, sorry.....
 
Never been spanked by a cleaning rod but don't rest on mags as a general rule.

I am generally using 20 round mags anyway, unless I am playing a game or just having fun.
 
I believe it was Client Smith who said if using the magazine as a monopod causes your gun to fail, get your gun fixed! Anything that can quickly stabilize your shooting position should be used whenever possible.
 
I would reflexively say that it was a bad idea. Anything that puts undue stress on a magazine can't be good -- maybe the magazine body would be twisted, the feed lips distorted, etc. If you need this kind of extra support, buy a purpose-built bipod.
 
There was indeed a time when grounding the magazine would cause misfeeds. That time has long been over, but the tradition continues. These were the same magazines that caused the habit of loading only 29 into a 30 round magazine. The issues have been addressed for a long time, but tradition is slow to change in some circles.

Personally, I top off to 30 and use the mag as a monopod when I can.
 
As a reasonably long time highpower competitor, I have tried using the mag as a rest. Yes I know it is against the rules, but so were the rifles I was shooting at these times before recent rule changes. Anyhow I found that mag resting was consistantly less accurate for me than a traditional prone shooting position with the mag not touching the ground.
 
Ive been mag monopoding since 2002. It was frowned upon in Basic Training but was taught in my unit. Didn't do it a lot in the Army mostly because I was a machine gunner the first half of my enlistment and most of the second half I had a DMR with a bipod. Though the short times I had a M16 I monopoded it.

Since then as a LEO Ive used the monopod technique and it is taught by our rifle trainers. Between my time shooting with a mag on the ground and other officers around me doing it, I've literally seen thousands of rounds fired this way and I can't recall any malfunctions related to it.
 
Anything that can quickly stabilize your shooting position should be used whenever possible.

I also agree with this.

IME if I could stick a mag in the dirt and make the rifle more stable, I could do a better job with two elbows in the dirt, all three work too, a bipod and two elbows are even better. With a bipod and a 3rd adjustable point at the back of the stock and I don't have to do anything to keep the rifle on target.
 
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Not ideal for stability but better than nothing. Haven't had a malfunction due to it yet.
 
Interesting that the marksmen in this thread report it's not accurate enough for their purposes, yet those trying to hit an 18MOA target are taught to do it.

Do you see the difference?
 
I shot a bunch of Service Rifle back in the late 1980s to mid 1990s and all of us "monopodded." Shooting a 500m deliberate prone match originally designed for the "shoot from your elbows" 7.62mm FN C1A1 was a dream with a mag-rested AR15A2.
 
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