Mannlicher Schoenauer ID

It has the special claw mount for the scope. Set trigger to. I'm betting it's a 6.5x57mm rifle (but you need to check that bore as you don't want 7x57 to chamber if it IS 6.5.

Also a clearer picture would help. Oh, and the serial number. Just the first 4 digits and the rest just xxxx'ed out.

Deaf

I recommend you go sign up here: http://www.germanguns.com/upload/forum.php

If it is German, these guys will know all about it and are very helpful. Real nice group.




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The rings would have to be custom fitted and the cost will greatly exceed worth of this rifle. Few places in America can do such a job. One might me New England Custom Gun commonly known as NECG. I know they import ERA Recknagel accessories. That German company makes semi custom mounts, but in general such systems are made pre-fit and sold as sets claw bases and claw rings come together. To bad it's not 6,5x54mm. The 6,5x57mm ammo will be extremely difficult to obtain and what you get may well be past best if used by date. Next time it might be wise to ask before you buy.

AethelstanAegen said:

the rifle was sold as a 7mm Mauser, which chambers no problem.

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I find it suspicious, considering German precision, that a 7mm cartridge would fit in a 6.5mm chamber, "no problem". Can you do a rough gaging of the bore, using a .264 bullet?

Doesn't look too bad. $0.78 cents to $1.30 a rd.

http://ammoseek.com/ammo/6.5x57mm

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php/cName/rifle-ammo-65x57-mauser

https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/category/categoryId/169

I was thinking it would be way worse.

If in fact it turns out to be a 6.5x57 that it.

Looks like a model 1910 to me. Best to take a chamber cast to find out what the caliber actually is. Regardless of what the barrel says, it certainly could have been rechambered/rebored at some point in the last 80 years.

i don,t think it,s a 6.5x57 if a 7x57 goes in smoothly, .264 to .284 is a great deal in a chamber neck. eastbank.

Beautiful rifle. Personally, since it has open sights, I wouldn't fiddle with a scope.

Definitely pre-war, post war had a "swept back" bolt handle.

Oh, and if it is 6.5x57 just get 7x57 brass and using 6.5x57 sizing die just neck it down and vola.. you have 6.5x57 brass for reloading!

Or neck up the 257 Roberts Brass!

Might have to ream the neck out a bit if the brass is to thick but that should work fine.

Here is some info on it.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/8034279/all/6_5x57_Mauser_s

Deaf

Time to slug the barrel and cast the chamber. A lot of those proof mark caliber stamps are bore diameter measured with a plug gauge and don't indicate groove/bullet diameter.

The year model of early MS sporters was by caliber. A 1903 is a 6.5, a 1905 is 9x56, a 1908 is 8x56, a 1910 is 9.5x56 and apparently first appearance of non-Steyr calibers like 7x57 and 8x57, a 1924/25 is the long action for .30-06 and others.

Lovely. You could snap shoot running Gazelles with that thing. A scope would spoil it.

dont put an optic on it! those rifles are on my short list

I have a modern Steyr built MS Carbine on the same action as yours. Mine is a 6.5X54MS chambering. The regular rings for that rifle are about $300 to $400. You have a claw mount. Your Claw mount can be found on some really expensive and usually older German and Austrian scopes. The scope itself is purpose built to work with the claw. Definitely check with NECG as recommended above. They may be able to tell you what scopes will work with it and what the rear mount looks like. I would take the advice of a previous post here and cast the chamber. Without casting it, which is simple and can be done at home, you really don't know what you have. It could easily have been re chambered after all these years.

And just a word of caution. If a 7mm chambers it does not mean it will shoot. You try to put a 7mm bullet down a 6.4mm barrel and you will blow it up.

Can you tell if the barrel is fluted??

I reload 6.5x57, my FIL has a similar (the same) rifle in Austria that I'll be inheriting when the time comes and I reload for him. Great cartridge on par with the .260 Rem.

Unfortunately the guys are right about the mounts, hand fit one at a time. Often the front ring is soldered to the scope objective. It "might" be possible to find a set on a used scope, but then you'd have fitment issues with what ever scope you'd use. Also, while claw mounts are still tin use, the Steyr "split receiver" uses an off-set rear like in your picture. There are or where US made mounts that are off-set and mount to the receiver by drilling and tapping, but while functional they're no where near as elegant as the claw mounts.

Chuck

Here is a picture of your scope mount set up. http://mwreynolds.com/HTML/rifleMannlicher1956Magnum458.html

What you have is not a full claw but I bet the front is a claw with the rear mount capturing the front in place. On the Picture it looks like there is a ring at the front that fits the bell of the scope. But I have seen scopes with a soldered on ring and I have seen them with a lower front mount machined into the scope.

Most of the MS scope mounts are designed to let you mount and de mount the scope and maintain zero. There are sure a lot of simpler ways to mount a scope!

Go to the bottom of this page and there is a picture of the offset rear mount.

http://www.newenglandcustomgun.com/Gun_Services/German_Claw_Scope_Mounts.asp

I do know this for sure that it will take you a lot of effort to get the rings dialed in and they will be for the scope you choose to use and not likely easily interchangeable with another scope. In Austria this would be the point where you visit your local smith for uber dollars. There are very few smiths in the US who specialize in MS or Steyr, although I am sure there are some out there. It took me several attempts to get my mounts to work perfectly. None of it is that complicated but the directions leave a lot to the imagination and there are several adjustments on each mount. My rear mount has windage and two other set screws and any one of them can leave the scope slightly off or ever so slightly loose.

You may be able to find a set on Ebay or another gun board but the problem with the original mounts is that they are in fact individually fitted. So there is really no such thing as buying a set and slapping them on and going out to shoot. I looked at original MS mounts originally and opted for the EAW because of this hand fitting that the original mounts required. The only originals I could find at the time were in England!

You could send it off to NECG and they will do a fine job. The fellow I spoke with there was extremely knowledgeable and very helpful. They provide first class customer service.

Yeah, I think this is a very worthy project. Fitting an appropriate scope is a great way to "finish the rifle"