Hudson H9?

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I was interested until I saw the price. WOW, $1,100+, just don't see any value at there. How is it better than a couple of Glocks for that price?

That bottom section (that has the lower than normal positioned recoil spring) looks like it should have a light or laser in it.


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I was interested until I saw the price. WOW, $1,100+, just don't see any value at there. How is it better than a couple of Glocks for that price?
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You're probably only carrying one gun at a time - unless you're looking to outfit an army lots of cheaper guns aren't necessarily better than a few higher quality ones.
 
I honestly kind of like it, if for nothing more than it looks like a Sci-fi prop gun and has lots of characteristics that lends themselves to good shooting pistols. Grip angle, low bore axis, straight pull trigger, should be a good amount of weight up front.
I'd like to see the MSRP come down some, but I'm intrested.

Would be super sci-fi cool if it was avaliable in 22TCM!
 
I dig the capacity and low Bore axis, but man you can do a whole lot better in a carry gun for 34oz dry weight!
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For a range gun or something I could see it being a fun "toy", but I'm not seeing This as a great carry option seeing as some of the best double stack "duty" 9mms that have even greater capacity are are significant lighter. An M&P9, Glock 19/17, XD9 etc are all striker fired options with more firepower, less cost and a lot less weight.
To me, thickness and weight are the two most hampering dynamics of a carry pistol. I can do fine with a "full size" pistol and daily concealed carry, so long as it's fairly slim and doesn't weigh a ton. For me this is why 1911s are out for my daily carry. For the weight and capacity, it just doesn't fit my needs. I know there are some scandium frame and other materials out there for a lightweight 1911, and I do enjoy shooting 1911s and I own half a dozen, but for carry they're just not my cup of tea.
 
You're probably only carrying one gun at a time - unless you're looking to outfit an army lots of cheaper guns aren't necessarily better than a few higher quality ones.

What proof do you have that is of higher quality than a run of the mill Glock? I see nothing to justify that price. More expensive does not necessary mean better.



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That bottom section (that has the lower than normal positioned recoil spring) looks like it should have a light or laser in it.

The gun's appearance suggests that lowering the bore axis by getting the recoil mechanism out from between the barrel and trigger required moving the takedown cross-bolt in front of the trigger and that location required moving the recoil mechanism even lower in front of the trigger.
 
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The gun's appearance suggests that lowering the bore axis by getting the recoil mechanism out from between the barrel and trigger required moving the takedown cross-bolt in front of the trigger and that location required moving the recoil mechanism even lower in front of the trigger.

Cool. Hopefully it's a smooth shooter for the result. I'll have to say, while I've no experience with the gun and know of no one else who has yet, they made a neat looking and frankly attractive pistol. With the slew of super ugly poly 9s that have hit the market in the past couple years, I'll have to say this gun looks better than they do.

But, looks really mean nothing for a defensive/tactical handgun. Time and experience will show if this gun really is worthy of attention.
 
I wonder if anyone noticed that accessory rail/dust cover scheme makes it impossible to design a holster for the gun (well, a non race-gun holster)? Should have copied Korth's Sky Marshal revolver & put the laser/light rail on the side of the frame some place where it could poke out while the rest of the gun was properly retained.

The gun is certainly interesting looking, totally Robocop or SilencerCo Maxim, and I'm always happy to have another Texan company in the mix. However, I can't shake an uneasy feeling about this gun/company. Perhaps some others could explain the appeal to me.
-Massively heavy/bulky for either a carry, competition, or home defense gun
-9mm is really not deserving of such drastic measures as far as recoil damping, when they necessarily result in so much additional size/mass (such as the far more powerful FK BRNO Field Pistol)
-The marketing leans heavily on the "1911-inspired" bit, but there is literally nothing but a steel frame material & grips of similar shape in common with that platform from what I can tell. It's less a 1911 than a Beretta PX4.
-The marketing seems, way, way, waaaay entirely too slick for a new kid on the block company chasing pre-orders. Something about trying too hard to impress in the absence of previous work experience raises my eyebrows; this outfit just screams boondoggle to me. How much of the price tag comes from a website more over-developed than those of multi-million dollar established makers*, and an aggressive social-media marketing strategy that blew news of this obscure new pistol all over the gun forums & blogs simultaneously the past week, before the first copy even made it to a reviewer?

So, we have this massive, heavy, expensive, double stack 9mm striker fire gun, whose sole advantages are a very slightly lower bore axis (barrel still has to tilt down, guys, so the Strike One still has them beat handily), and a straight-pull trigger. The second of which is merely a characteristic, not an advantage; there's a whole lot more to a "1911-style trigger" than the fact the bang switch doesn't pivot. The mere presence of the Glock-dingus on the trigger shoe alone makes it unlikely to be very comparable (not to mention the fact that a striker gun's disconnector is going to be totally different from the 1911's mechanism, which is sure to impact the feel when the trigger is released), and that's assuming whatever additional linkage is needed to transform the rear-ward motion of the trigger into vertical motion of the sear off the striker does not impact trigger quality at all (another unlikely/impossible situation)

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By all means someone show me in what way this gun resembles the 1911 (frame layout, barrel lockup, magazine, fire control, even the chambering are all different). I suppose the mag release looks similar. And if this patent drawing is similar to the finished product, that bore axis doesn't look particularly low to me (like, if the recoil spring were in the usual spot, the profile is nearly identical to a High Power).

Even on an artistic level, the gun suffers from a glaring aesthetic faux-pas; if you look at the huge dead-space in the dust cover, it is clear the goal here was to fill in the area in front of the trigger guard for a beefier, more aggressive profile. Mission accomplished. But then they leave the vestigal 1911 beavertail hanging off the back for no reason at all --it's not like there's a hammer spur to guard during recoil, after all-- an oddly delicate-looking feature on an otherwise tanklike package. Probably pokes & snags like a 1911 beavertail, too.

Those who are familiar with me know that I'm the last guy to go all "answer to a question that nobody blah blah blah" when a new gun design comes around --on the contrary I'm eager to learn how it works, and its advantages & disadvantages. But what I see here seems much more like marketing masquerading as innovation and, paradoxically enough, nostalgia, while bringing no unique qualities or advantages to the table. Which is what makes the apparent fervor & outpouring of desire across the gun boards of late both baffling and frustrating; where was all this excitement for new ideas when the Strike One was imported, or before Boberg went under, or for other arms designers/makers with great ideas that never found broad appeal? Was it just because they lacked slick marketing campaigns promising their product was the next step in arms evolution from spear to bow to musket to 1911?

Part of me suspects that even if all the promises are true, that the gun will find few fans. A 1911 with only a single passive safety system (trigger switch)? Seems like the experience of shooting the "striker 1911" will be completely different from what that set of shooters are accustomed to (and the recoil impulse when lacking a hammer is likely to feel quite odd). Seems like the weight & size would be off putting to poly-frame aficionados, and it's not like lightweight short-travel triggers in the 4lb range don't exist for these, either. The marketing makes the gun seem appealing, but I just don't see exactly who is supposed to fall in love with the gun once they actual put their mitt to metal & hold the thing.

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*Seriously. The website is overflowing with trendy flash tricks and macho pretense, it looks like a talented Graphic Designer's senior project. The corny video a Computer Graphics major's. I don't think there was even any real footage of an actual gun firing or components, just cheap & easy CAD cartoons. "Our Philosophy; Keep Advancing." <rolls eyes>. I merely had reservations before, but my "Tout Alarm" is at DEFCON 1 after such melodrama. Not one mention of their machining capabilities, nor their quality control, nor even ISO/etc certification; as a potential pre-orderer, I'd have no way of knowing whether they can actually bring this to market, or are simply planning to "hire someone to figure out those details"
 
Other than being heavy and having sights; in what way is this gun based on the 1911? Like saying the glock is based on a BHP.
 
I wonder if anyone noticed that accessory rail/dust cover scheme makes it impossible to design a holster for the gun (well, a non race-gun holster)?

Two local holsters makers have already responded negatively to suggestions to make holsters for the H9, with one being particularly emphatic about a light-bearing holster.

Even on an artistic level, the gun suffers from a glaring aesthetic faux-pas; if you look at the huge dead-space in the dust cover, it is clear the goal here was to fill in the area in front of the trigger guard for a beefier, more aggressive profile.

I do not believe the shape and size of the dust cover is a discretionary design element, but is an absolute operational necessity.

The take-down cross-bolt was moved down and in front of the trigger guard as part of the effort to achieve a lower bore axis. I suspect the cross-bolt's location precludes the typical placement of the recoil mechanism in front of the cross-bolt (at least without the gun being longer). As a consequence, the recoil mechanism was moved below the cross-bolt and the dust cover was extended commensurately.

I also suspect that the design may preclude any significant reduction in the length of the gun.

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What proof do you have that is of higher quality than a run of the mill Glock? I see nothing to justify that price. More expensive does not necessary mean better.
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It's hard to say definitively at this point - but looking at this the bore axis is lower and it's heavier - it should shoot flatter than a Glock with less recoil.

We'll have to wait until it's in hand before making a judgement on the trigger. That said - my point is merely that you CAN certainly make a better handgun than a Glock, and if this turns out to be this way, then even if it costs several times more then for someone who wants this gun's features, just one of these could be better than 2 or 3 Glocks for the same price.

Particularly for a competition target gun this piques my interest. Right now CZ's and Tanfoglio's in the same price range as this gun have mostly taken Glock's market share in that department - if this guns shoots well enough the price isn't too big of a concern.
 
We'll have to wait until it's in hand before making a judgement on the trigger. That said - my point is merely that you CAN certainly make a better handgun than a Glock, and if this turns out to be this way, then even if it costs several times more then for someone who wants this gun's features, just one of these could be better than 2 or 3 Glocks for the same price.

Particularly for a competition target gun this piques my interest. Right now CZ's and Tanfoglio's in the same price range as this gun have mostly taken Glock's market share in that department - if this guns shoots well enough the price isn't too big of a concern.

I think the point is that it's not a glock or other run of the mill plastic fantastic..

hopefully some hands on reviews will trickle out of SHOT show this week about this gun.

I'm interested in it as its different as I've really become disinterested in a lot of what's new on the market now-a-days. But would wait awhile for the beta testers feedback.

Hopefully they have already initiated NROI approval.
 
There's a lot of commentary about it being some kind of new 1911 - despite the fact it's double stack with striker firing. Nope, not a 1911 at all except to those who can't figure out how to describe it by some other monicker, which goes to their familiarity with guns in general, or thinking their audience would be equally clueless.

I could beat on this dead horse more by asking where is the external hammer, the plunger tube, the grip safety, etc etc but the real point is that calling it a 1911 is just a means of saying it's a steel framed straight grip frame. Nothing inside or above it is 1911. I have to ask is there an organized scheme going on to do this over multiple forums as a marketing plan or is it really a symptom of how little posters know about guns they have to resort to it?

The Ruger LCP looks more similar to the P3AT than this does to a 1911 or Glock. Deservedly. But, no, it's all about how this is a 1911 with a Glock slide and trigger. Nobody much says that about all the other guns using a striker fired slide - which Glock didn't pioneer anyway.

Market shilling or limited communications - it's a Hudson and it's meant for competition shooting. It's not a CCW gun which means they saw a market at the price point and plan to demonstrate it's ability on the range, which is what the design is meant to maximize. How many range guns use a light/laser combo on them? I would have thought a red dot dovetail would be the better choice rather than slapping on a pic rail underneath where it is obviously going to be a significant issue. They would be better off deleting it and going bare dust cover.

If you need a laser wait for the recoil spring guide replacement, at this pricing tier, one will likely pop up in a while. How that enhances 3Gun use is out of my lane. I don't see this as a combat carry weapon at all and with a speed slide holster it won't make much difference what leather or kydex makers decline to offer in an IWB holster.

What I see is a lot of confusion over what the gun is meant to do and how it would be used. Not to put it down as some could interpret, it's a range "toy" not combat weapon. But nobody wants to say that.
 
But, no, it's all about how this is a 1911 with a Glock slide and trigger. Nobody much says that about all the other guns using a striker fired slide - which Glock didn't pioneer anyway.

Pretty much... Its not like striker fired guns have existed for a 100 years or so... lol
 
To me, it seems that 9mm Parabellum has become a pocket pistol cartridge. It is the 21st century equivalent of 32 ACP. If I was going to design a gun as big as this Hudson, I would design it for 10mm or 9x23mm Winchester. Otherwise, what has it got going for it that many existing guns do not already have?

Thanks, barnbwt, for your post. I always enjoy reading what you write.

And mesinge2, the Alchemy Spectre was exactly the gun the Hudson reminded me of, particularly the grip shape, but I could not remember its name. Man, has it been a long time since I thought about the Alchemy Spectre!
 
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If I was going to design a gun as big as this Hudson, I would design it for 10mm or 9x23mm Winchester. Otherwise, what has it got going for it that many existing guns do not already have?

That's kind of what I was thinking; kind of big and heavy for a 9mm. (like just what the world needs, another full size 9mm.), but would be interesting if it could be made in 10mm. or .45 ACP.
 
Market shilling or limited communications - it's a Hudson and it's meant for competition shooting.

That's what it looks like to me, as well.

Like mentioned, the marketing is ultra slick and ultra expensive. I still like the promise of it being a good shooter and being made in Texas would be a plus.

However, the gun has to work very well at that price and the gun has to sell.
 
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