The Gunsmith's Lament

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AeroDillo

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From my time at gunsmithing school, written in response to a question posted on another forum - and, if you can believe it, never actually posted, though I did share it among the other student heathenry. Mostly inside jokes and painful memories in this one, but I figured I'd throw it to see what the gun-people at large think.

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The MurrStakers should get this one....

On a forum I read now and again was posed the question - is gunsmithing as a trade dying out? An interesting question to be sure, and one worthy of thought, debate, and probably a Congressional inquiry that can waste millions chasing answers that I'd sell for fifty bucks or so, not counting shop time.

There are ten students/survivors in my class. Twenty more behind us, and likely twenty behind them. So there are gunsmith-pollywogs out there in the pipeline. How then account for the vanishing of the 'little guy' operations? Frankly...where have all the gunsmiths gone?

Let me tell you a little story...this one's been around the shop a few times. The fifty-odd idiots mentioned earlier know it well and will, with any luck, someday add the details of their own experience.

I like to think of this as an inside joke...maybe without the joke part.


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A man walks in with a single-barrel breakover shotgun that's rusted shut. The stocks fore and aft are gone, the barrel has been cut off crooked with a hacksaw just thiiiiiiis much above the legal limit, and there's something rattling around inside the receiver. It's not the hammer or the trigger because what's left of both are frozen in place. Replacing the original trigger guard is a curl of aluminum which reads Budweiser when your turn it just right. There are no visible markings save a spot on the receiver where a former owner apparently engraved his driver's license number with a dull screwdriver.

The story? His great granddad won this shotgun in a poker game in 1904. It was only manufactured between 1892 and 1896, with half a dozen design changes during production, and there aren't too many examples out there because the factory issued a recall after the fourth change because they guns had a nasty habit of disassembling themselves when fired. At least after the second change the parts generally flew away from the shooter's head.

You do not know what change this is because A) this gun predates the requirements for a serial number and B) the last man who knew about the changes was killed at Chateau Thiery in 1918 - but it doesn't matter because all the records were destroyed after the factory switched to making clockwork Chihuahuas and was burnt down in the Zoot Riots, anyway.

Granddad kept this gun is his boat to deal with water moccasins. In 1976 his boat caught fire and sank, and just last summer during the drought the lake dried up enough that Dad waded out and recovered the what was left of the outboard motor, a tacklebox full of mud, and the shotgun.

Junior has arrived with this relic/priceless family heirloom, which he would like restocked, refinished, and returned to function.

There are no stocks available so you explain that you'll have to fit a set from a blank that costs more than the gun. The bore can be relined from a sewer pipe to something approximating a shotgun barrel which also costs more than the gun - this under the assumption that it doesn't explode when you set up and clean the outside with a barrel spinner. You think you can probably keep the walls thick enough they won't collapse under their own weight if you're very, very careful.

Assuming the pins in the receiver can be beaten out with a sledgehammer, all the internals will probably have to be manufactured and hand-fit. Conveniently, the customer has a dimebag full of replacements that be bought off eBay. Half of the parts are plainly guts for a Rossi revolver. The rest are an even mix of sewing machine components, pocket lint, and a Happy Meal toy that's worth more than the gun was brand new.

Working on the (generous) assumption that this can ever be restored to anything more than a novelty umbrella grip, you explain that any refinish work will be exceedingly labor intensive unless he wants half the gun to turn purple and the other half to dissolve in the caustic tank. He asks if the pieces can be made to match and you point to a rattle-can of black Duracoat, which he declines because paint wouldn't do justice to the restoration.

You inform the customer that while this example can be made presentable the undertaking will be costly, time-consuming, and likely result in the final product wearing an UNSAFE TO FIRE tag in print so big Mister Magoo could read that ****. Further, the holding corporation which bought what was left of the original manufacturer went out of forty years ago building gas tanks for the Ford Pinto, ergo there are no deep pockets left in case somebody wants to play Darwin Roulette sometime down the road.

The customers nods solemnly and asks if you can install a quality recoil pad (which, again, costs more than the gun) and thread for chokes. He brought a pair of choke tubes for this purpose - one Winchoke, one Remchoke. Each has a different thread pitch and it'd be great if they both fit when you're done.

You add up the prospective time in shop hours, process costs, and the copious quantities of hard liquor that you're going to need to see this through if the customer is dense enough to proceed. Meanwhile, he casually mentions that he was quoted this job by one of his friends higher up the food chain than you. Also, he'd really like this to be finished in time for Grandpa's birthday in three weeks.

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Eight weeks later you're a walking wreck. You've dumped everything you have into the dark magic required for this unholy miracle. When finished, the gun looks better than new. You're on a first-name basis with customer support at Numrich, Sarco, and the Chinese eBay knockoff. Makers of stock blanks have added you to their blocked numbers. You can chart the progress of this nightmare by the value of Jack Daniel's stock. You didn't just put time, sweat, tears, and blood into this - this sumbitch ate part of your SOUL.

When you look in the mirror you no longer see yourself. You see things...terrible things. You have spent fully two weeks on the phone as your customer demands daily updates and changes the work order. You can no longer discern whether your lathe is out of true of it's just the dying gasp of your fine-motor skills. That funny noise is either your mill fixing to explode or your newfound alternate personality throwing itself into a jet engine. You fleetingly wonder how Permalyn tastes.

The customer arrives to pick up the gun. He thinks it looks alright - not bad for a job that's five weeks overdue. He wants to know about a gun case that you've never seen but which is now missing.

You get forty bucks. It puts a small dent in the expenses you had to pay out of pocket.

And if you're done with that there's a man outside with a Savage/Stevens 67 that needs some work...

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So where are all the gunsmiths gone?

The damn nuthouse, that's where.

You gotta be crazy to be in this game. A special kind of crazy. Hearts-of-Darkness-Quentin-Tarantino-derailing-a-circus-train-into-a-burning-chemical-factory crazy.

I bet if we all run fast enough in different directions they ain't got enough butterfly nets to get us all.
 
I like it, and it's exactly why I didn't choose that as a profession. If you totally take the point of making a living at it out of the equation, you can be a hardcore hobby-smith and pay for your hobby with the occasional sale of a restored firearm that you got bored with. Otherwise your peeing into the wind.

Then again, to be a true gunsmith you need to be able to skillfully run a lathe and a basic mill. If you can do this you can make a lot more money in a factory or machine shop with the exact same skill set, and never even consider touching a piece of walnut.
 
Always wanted to get into it but as you pointed out, no money in it. Still wouldn't mind learning though to be a hobby. Probably will when I figure out some other way to make enough money to stock my own shop with a lathe and mill among other stuff.

Thoroughly enjoyed your post though.
 
The smith would have been better off to simply tell the guy to have his friend fix it and go on to the next customer that needed a scope mounted, he would have made a profit off the scope job and not put himself in a position to be sued when the shotgun blew up.
 
I think the tale is horribly understated. Why is the story teller trying to shield us from the unvarnished truth?

I heard of this one guy from a vehicle restorer who found a "barn find" automobile, and wanted it restored to a "6 miles on the odometer straight off the dealer's lot" condition. He found it underneath the barn that had collapsed while he was bulldozing the rotten timbers into a burn pile. He hadn't run over it more than once. Or twice. Maybe.

In another vein I did sell parts to a man restoring a 1963 Avanti. Under the body it's all '63 Vette, which was being systematically removed part by part with substitutes from hot rod/drag race suppliers. He was, in his words, "restoring it". Which meant the original fan and radiator were tossed in the trash for an aluminum one with electric fans just like the "real racers" do.

It would be similar to someone asking a gunsmith if he could rebarrel his 10/22 to .410 I guess. But, nobody's ever asked for that kind of work to be done, right? Just think, tho, at one time gunsmiths made money on sporterizing Mausers brought back from the war. Enough competent work and it becomes a trophy taking gun for a magazine writer who extols the virtues of Big Game Hunting. Hard to draw a line in the sand when the tides of time keep washing the beach.
 
Funny.

But I have a serious question....

If I was a gunsmith and more than one or two people came into my shop with unsafe relic heirloom guns, I would think about sourcing some nice glass-faced boxes and offering to positively deactivate the guns and mount them in the cases along with other heirlooms, photos, or a nice card with the history and personal connections listed. I would have a label on the back with "rendered permanently non-functional per BATFE guidelines". Then I'd try to sell them on getting a new gun and customizing it as a tribute. Has anyone tried that?

Seems like a better answer than heroic measures.
 
I think we're, some of us, missing the point and this made-up tale is just a cautionary and humorous amalgamation of gunsmith "horror stories," told between those who've been there and done that.
 
I thought so, but there were some serious sounding replies about what the 'smith should have done! :D

Sort of like the guy who answers the joke about the Nun, Priest, and Rabbi who walk into a bar with a long pause and then, "You know, I don't think Nuns go to bars..." o_O
 
Hah...ok...I'm probably wrong. :)

I figured it was like so many inside jokes, funny because it contains painful truth.
 
To answer the primary recurring question and maybe point out a detail I neglected to include...

Ideally, the gunsmith in question could turn down the work, assuming he was running the shop and had veto power over his projects. Being as this was in a school enivronment, we didn't. People brought guns to get fixed. Our secretary took guns in and one of the instructors tagged and distributed them. While you could occasionally reason a customer into seeing the problems with a full-on restoration of a lost cause, two things tended to happen.

A) Being students, our repair costs were figured from a Brownells suggested price list and reduced accordingly, meaning repairs that would otherwise have been prohibitively expensive were, while not cheap, somewhat more in range for a customer set on getting Grandpappy's old mantel gun back into fighting trim, and

B) Passing both Repair I & II were prerequisites for classes people needed to take (Pistolsmithing, for one) if they wanted the degree, so the habit was to take whatever floated by, get it running, and get on to more fun stuff like building 1911s.

Kind of a no-win environment in some regards. My favorite was a beater that came in...looked like it'd been left soaking in saltwater for a week, but I figured there was enough there I was willing to chance a restoration. But hey - I was willing. I got on all the parts sights and rounded up the necessary components to convert a paperweight back into a Colt New Service from a paperweight into a functioning firearm.

Only problem was the customer decided early on that his spending limit for a restoration was $50 (not kidding). I called to explain what all a restoration would entail, and he thought it over and asked what a good refinish would set him back.

Bear in mind that a correct refinish on an old gun generally means stone work and hand polishing. A lot of hand polishing. Especially if there are rollmarks and stamps to preserve (assuming there are any left in the first place). Suffice it to say the work doesn't happen fast and it doesn't come cheap - even working from a reduced price list.

In the end the customer opted for blasting and a dip in the park tank. From his point of view, he figured that'd make it pretty enough to set up on the shelf as a display piece. Wasn't correct, and it looked like something fell out of the back end of a dog, but that was his spending limit and his call.

I don't think I've ever been more depressed handing a gun back to the customer.

Who was, perhaps unsurprisingly, not all that content with the end result. Go figure.
 
Fella's;

Do not, never-ever, entitle yourself "Gunsmith". Not even "Armorer" is an acceptable substitute. All sorts of nosy people get seriously interested in your life if you make the aforementioned mistakes. You do not want that to happen.

OTOH, you can help friends out with their firearms problems if, and only if, it's both something you want to do and know how to do. It is strongly suggested that you take no money for this help. However, .22 ammo, good whiskey or other acceptable alcohol, and other items of appreciation can be gifted to you. With the exception, of course, of loose women. You'll only think you had problems before if you go down that road!

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I appreciate the "tales". I have never aspired to be a gunsmith; I don't have the talent, patience, or people skills to succeed.

I take perverse pleasure in visiting my local gunsmith - a very nice guy - about 1 or 2 weeks before deer hunting season. He has a thoroughly frazzled appearance due to the loads of rifles being brought in to get ready for the woods. And to think he started his gunsmithing business after he retired because he liked it as a hobby.
 
Fella's;

Do not, never-ever, entitle yourself "Gunsmith". Not even "Armorer" is an acceptable substitute. All sorts of nosy people get seriously interested in your life if you make the aforementioned mistakes. You do not want that to happen.

OTOH, you can help friends out with their firearms problems if, and only if, it's both something you want to do and know how to do. It is strongly suggested that you take no money for this help. However, .22 ammo, good whiskey or other acceptable alcohol, and other items of appreciation can be gifted to you. With the exception, of course, of loose women. You'll only think you had problems before if you go down that road!

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True....I am not those, but I do know a little about guns....and if your friends find out...look out.

I would think the insurance would be insane as well.
 
In general,it sounds not much difference than what I have had asked of my service as a toolmaker.

In my apprenticeship days, I had a certain boss that would have me make or repair stuff for him. Many a time I would think it would have been cheeper for the company to just buy him a new whatever.

In whatever trade/craft you have. Somebody will expect you to go the extra mile, or 2, or......
 
AeroDillo

I thoroughly enjoyed your gunsmith musings. Keep up the good work, both in the workshop and here on THR.
 
In whatever trade/craft you have. Somebody will expect you to go the extra mile, or 2, or......

It's not so much the going the extra mile...it's the expectation that you'll go the extra mile at your personal expense. Evidently the entitlement mentality goes back a pretty good ways.
 
I like messing with guns as a hobby. It has several times been suggested that I should do it for money. Each time I recoil in horror. People are crazy enough about knives and swords... I have no desire to investigate what fresh hells they can invent with things involving energetic chemical reactions and moving parts.
 
It's the same for any repair man. My best friend is a auto repair shop owner. I have seen one of his customers go crazy after being told that his 2015 Mustang needed a new engine ( he had put some off brand nitrous oxide kit on it he had bought off of eBay and melted all of the pistons ) .
' No, you ARE going to fix it and I need it by tomorrow evening.'
 
I think if I won the lottery...the BIG ONE...I'd go to gunsmithing school, buy all the tools, set up a shop, and then NOT go into business.

I just need a gunsmith to put proper sights (tactical ghost ring sights) on my Mossberg 590. Presumably that sort of customer is what one hopes for.
 
It's the same for any repair man. My best friend is a auto repair shop owner. I have seen one of his customers go crazy after being told that his 2015 Mustang needed a new engine ( he had put some off brand nitrous oxide kit on it he had bought off of eBay and melted all of the pistons ) .
' No, you ARE going to fix it and I need it by tomorrow evening.'

Worked in the car business in the late 70's to about the mid 80's....you know when american cars where just fantastic.

After working on them all day you do not want to do it as a "hobby" in the evening.

Now that I have been away for a long time I have toy cars....but at 51 and about 4 back surgeries I am slowing down....it is much more easy to just sign a check.....if I fool with something I want to fool with it on my terms....for fun. Not many people love what they do for a living enough to do it for fun as well....but yea....I have tons of stories about new car dealers.
 
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