29 and 30 are of me, shooting someone's .41mag, apparently mid flinch. Chalk that one up as one gun I dont think I will be buying very soon. I dont need to be putting down Bull Elephants within 25yds. But to the gun's credit, I hit a propane tank 2-3 times @ 50yds. Couldnt do that if my life depended on it with my Witness...