Lyman GPP Or Pedersoli Kentucky Pistol Kits? And What Tools Are Needed?

Lyman Gpp or Pedersoli Kentucky Pistol?


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I tried building some kits years ago. It became evident that I had no talent for wood work. I decided to buy guns by people who were more talented.:)
The sick sick thing about me is, with my taste in 'grade' it is almost cheaper to get one built.
I am really enjoying learning how everything ticks and this, other than issue noted. is a pretty easy kit. I'm probably going to attempt taking down the lock. See if we can clean it up a bit.
 
Wow, different strokes for different folks applies here. I spent probably a month in filing, sanding, polishing, my kits before I assembled them, but I also spent a week in die maker school filing a 1" square piece of barstock perfectly square and then putting proscribed radii on opposing corners. I really like the fact that my Pedersoli kits were finished to my expectations rather than a production line finish. If you are buying kits just to save a few bucks you will surely be disappointed as the finished result will likely not be to production line standards. Homer Formby's Tung Oil finish is excellent as long as you use at least 7 coats polished by steel wool between each coat. But then I also clean my guns after every time I shoot so as I said, different strokes for different folks.....
 
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Wow, different strokes for different folks applies here. I spent probably a month in filing, sanding, polishing, my kits before I assembled them, but I also spent a week in die maker school filing a 1" square piece of barstock perfectly square and then putting proscribed radii on opposing corners. I really like the fact that my Pedersoli kits were finished to my expectations rather than a production line finish. If you are buying kits just to save a few bucks you will surely be disappointed as the finished result will likely not be to production line standards. Homer Formby's Tung Oil finish is excellent as long as you use at least 7 coats polished by steel wool between each coat. But then I also clean my guns after every time I shoot so as I said, different strokes for different folks.....
That ain't nothin! The first BP guy I ever knew hunted squirrell with a Kentucky looking .45 rock lock and Deer with a .50 cap lock hawken repro. He was the tool and die makers tool and die maker. I changed the plugs on my stepfather's volkswagon beetle without cross threading a darn thing and I thought Mr. J was going to cry. He hugged me.. only time that ever happened and I got a sip of my step dad';s brewski!

So I'm from that other camp skill wise. Absentee dad, never bonded with step dad like that. Only learned to use chainsaws and weedeaters after age fifty when the axe and grass whip got to be too much after mangling my right leg at age 38. No mechanical skills, taught myself to fish, build boats and fly fish. Learned a little about guns from sympathetic neighbors in the country and expanded on that education when we got into shouting and pushing folks whilst wearing unusual clothes.
Never got shop class in High School, Home Ec and Electronics for this seventies kid...
However like you, my main reason for wanting the kit instead of paying the low price of a franklin to have it done professionally is the finish of the wood. I love old guns with simple stock treatments. We used to run a little linseed oil on our thirty dollar surplus rifles with fine steel wool at the neighbors house on days when there was no shooting or hunting going on. I'm not touching that stock with anything but sandpaper, linseed oil, and fine steel wool. I really like the way it's coming along and I'll be a long time working on it before I get to the metal. We have good browning weather here in July usually, while August is certified humid... I'm in no hurry concerning the stock.
The second reason is sheer ignorance!! I've read volumes but it's not the same thing as hands on. I like to learn things. I was the worst carpenter's helper in the State of Delaware when I was recovering from my traffic adventure. I have the references to prove it.:D BUT!!! Now I can do simple carpentry and even built two boats our of b/c play that work great and don't leak.
Quite frankly, up in the hills I'd be a bit embarrassed to be caught with a shiny factory gun if I was around folks I didn't know. There are some great folks who are kind to all they meet, but they won't have to stifle a chuckle if you don't show up looking like the poster boy for Bass Pro :) That's not the same as a fine custom piece...
I Know folks don't always read threads, but again I posted up front before the kit got here that it would be cheaper for me to just get the completed gun. On sale for under 400 it appeared to be a good deal for a finished flintlock with some good reviews, relatively speaking. A factory production line finish isn't the end of the world, just not what I want. Here is the direction we are going. This is one coat of boiled linseed and I'm about halfway through buffing it with fine steel wool. In another day or two we'll put on another coat of oil, rub it in, make some fine adjustments on the sanding with 220 grit and get back after that steel wool. I considered Tung oil, but decided to stick with plain boiled linseed oil for this project. I know you don't have to finish Tung oil to a high shine, I just like the subdued luster of a well polished linseed treated stock.
After multiple coats being rubbed in we will have the look we want. From the pics you might not sense a big difference between uncoated, initial oil coat, and first polishing but I can see it. The key is to spend a lot of time polishing with steel wool between coats for me.
* stand by for browser restart Pics will be along in a moment




The only regret I have about this kit is that somewhere in the last couple of years these 'rogue' trigger guards started giving newbies fits. I'm not that undone by it, just annoyed. Before that development by the reviews on Dixie and elsewhere it seemed to be the perfect entry level project for a goof off shooter implement. Now I ahve put my BP revolvers through the wringer, I let two of them seize up on purpose. However that's not how I keep them. You can hurt yourself looking at the brass on the triggerguards in dim light. The one that lives in a holster gets silicon cloth a few nights a week. However after paying rent wearing side arms my take on what beautiful is and yours may not match up. I still get choked up thinking about a Ballister Molina I let go to somebody who loved it even more than me. Shot a 291 at quals with those wwII sights... Many here might choose to shave their wife's head before being seen on the line with an apparent wreck like that thing appeared to be. SO yes, different strokes for different folks.
 
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Pedersoli says you have to install the back edge and hammer the guard into shape. They are sending me a new one. I didn't argue with them, we tried that with the assistance of a fairly decent amateur blacksmith but getting the guard bent out enough to do that impedes the trigger. However now I know just home much to file off so the guard snaps into place like it grew there.

YAY! They did not address the errant pilot hole or the change in the kit.. meh but we've got the right pilot hole now and once we got the pieces of the trigger guard in the channel we could easily make some small adjustments to the grip with 220 sandpaper. Most happy with the way this gun fits my hand now.

The stock is the shape I want now. Grain is starting to come up, nothing let to do on that but keep polishing with fine steel wool and put a few more coats of linseed oil on it. I have three, going for ten at least.

We elected not to remove the brass thimbles, I had wanted to sand the channel with them in place. Between the sanding, the linseed oil and the steel wool they are pretty shiny. I'm leaving them alone. The fore end oddly enough needed to be shaped for my normally non critical eye, the area right behind the cap.

I love this stock, here are some pics ...

 
Thanks, it's only walnut but I've fallen in love with more than one old surplus rifle after we sanded the varnish off and hand rubbed that stock with linseed. I'm taking the slow road on the barrel as well. Hand sanding the bluing off with 220, then coarse, then medium, finally fine steel wool. So far so good. I started on the underside. I've read some folks saying they don't want to polish the flats that don't show on this kit. To me that's Bass Ackwards. I was taught that polishing protects a surface in general. Since the part under the stock ain't gonna get cleaned regular, that's one place I want smooth. That's just my tortured imagination in what passes for my mind.
I could have lived with the appearance of the barrel, BUT when I started sanding and realizing how 'not smooth' that thing really is consider the time a wise investment. I'll put a pic up in while. Wommins is sleeping now. Must remain low profile. :D Now for polishing freaks, that brass on the kit is a bonanza. THey's up now!

Here is just about everything one needs for a minimalist build of this kit. If you get an old box with the triggerguard installed you can skip the round file :D
Of course you would have an 'in the white' barrel or suffer the factory bluing on the rough steel...

Now before anyone accuses me of having the characteristics of a passable Perl programmer ( hubris and sloth ) please note that this dog of Perl employs a lucky cat for quality control purposes :D :D :D
 
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Looks good; you seem to have shaved some of the "clunky" off the grip area. My Great Plains Pistol kit has not budged a millimeter from its place on the coffee table in three weeks. Too many irons in the fire, and a sporting clays league on the near horizon will push the project back a bit. I'll probably be hacking on it during our lovely 110F summer.
 
Thanks! There is only one fatal cosmetic flaw here. But it's serious enough that if I do buy another Pedersoli kit it will be a face to face retail situation where I can inspect the merch first. An undulating sighting plane due to the top flat being visibly off at the breech and some deep thinker simply ground down the breech tang to match the messed up barrel.. it can be mostly corrected with lots of tedious file work, we could send it to a machinist. BUT! The stock will never come close to being right around that tang, and if it is left like it is becomes vulnerable to breaking.
So I'm going to conclude my participation with my own decision not to buy anymore DPS products in this life time. Recommend that only folks who are somewhat advanced in skill even consider DPS.
Which is a crying shame, the DPS Kentucky FLinter kit was THE entry level kit to get over the years. With cost cutting measures obviously affecting the product, those days appear to be over.
A fudged up sighting plane and a tang that can't be mated to the stock without serious skill ain't level one stuff. Again, no how, no way. Aquis est la Pruebo, as we say here in the Estados Unitas:


I do understand RMA and think DPS would give me another barrel, believe it or not I'm not always pedantic and rambling. I can get my point across in writing when need be. But I shouldn't have to and the same folks who did this are who I have to appeal to.. :/ PASS. So I'll put this kit together and enjoy it. But I'm feeling pretty stupid ending up with this after pondering the decision for longer than I care to admit.
It's a crying shame, this could have been a wonderful kit, the stock was too dinged up to sell as finished but I could live with it. The brass is eye candy to me. The lock is so stiff you'll never cock this one handed, and sighting plane is warped, and the stock don't fit.
Pakistani quality at Italian Prices! :/ Lesson learned and I'm still enjoying the finishing process, just feeling like a chump for giving these clowns any money at all quite frankly. I do feel like I still got a good deal, some assemblers pay four figures to get screwed by this factory. Read one review of a trade musket kit where the buyer had to fit an R.E. Davis lock after spending a grand on the kit. I'll just suffer with the crappy lock and keep this handy for its bludgeon potential... * ETA sorry for the typos! This new keyboard is more of a hassle than autocorrect :D
 
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