looking for a griswold 36 cal

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midland man said:
so its true brass frame revolvers were made back then?? I read and seen controversy over this subject...
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The frames were actually gun metal but yes there were some made. Spiller and Burr, Griswold and Gunnison, and just a few by Schneider & Glassick. The G&G and S&G were essentially copied off of an 1851 Colt. The modern day Ruger New Army is somewhat a copy of a Spiller and Burr the way the ramrod and cylinder pin work.

Where the controversy comes in is the Italians have taken the liberty to make brass copies of the Remington, 44 caliber brass frame 1851 Colts, even seen some older brass framed 1860 Armys and they make all these fantasy guns that never existed and mislead people by calling them Confederate models. As if the Confederacy made a brass frame copy of every gun that existed and then some.
 
Tommygunn said:
The Confederacy used brass because they lacked iron and steel resources.
Some modern revolvers are "fantasy" revolvers because they don't truly replicate a real gun as it was made in the day. A common attribute is to make a Navy caliber Colt, originally .36 cal., in .44 caliber.
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yep I own two one brass one steel in 44 caliber and hate to say it but I like both but I do plan on buyin a period correct 51' navy in 36 caliber as I never owned this caliber so I want to see what its like to shoot it! :)
 
I would much rather shoot a navy size pistol in 36 caliber.

I always tell people if you are going to buy the 44 buy the 1860 Army and if they are buying the Navy buy the 36. That's just the way they are supposed to be and IMO they actually balance and handle better in the calibers they were designed.

You'd be surprised how much difference bore size makes in the weight of the barrel.

Plus it just looks all wrong with the frame notched and the step in the cylinder on a 51.
 
Cowhide Cliff said:
I would much rather shoot a navy size pistol in 36 caliber.

I always tell people if you are going to buy the 44 buy the 1860 Army and if they are buying the Navy buy the 36. That's just the way they are supposed to be and IMO they actually balance and handle better in the calibers they were designed for.

You'd be surprised how much difference bore size makes in the weight of the barrel.

Plus it just looks all wrong with the frame notched and the step in the cylinder on a 51.
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I would also echo that sentiment concerning the original Colt "1862" Pocket Navy .36 5-shot, which had a rebated cylinder/cut water table on an 1849 Pocket frame (the repro Pietta version is just an 1851 Navy frame with a shortened barrel and is a 6-shot), and the original Colt was available in 4-1/2", 5-1/2", and 6-1/2" barrel lengths for your balance preference. The repro Uberti is on the Pocket frame and is a 5-shot .36, much more historically accurate insofar as the original.

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/popup_image.php?pID=1031&osCsid=shodd6d1biht4au6udnt1c1ng2

I have a Replica Arms El Paso Texas (ASM) 1848 Pocket Pistol .31 6" barrel that I can barely get my hand to fit because it is so small, so I cannot imagine it as a heavier barrel/cylinder .36 pistol insofar as balance is concerned.

Just my $.02 worth.

Back to our regularly scheduled program...

Jim
 
I got the barrel from Numrich. It was the High Standard Bicentennial. How maddening. I called and they said they had several in stock. When they looked they had one that was marked Griswold and Gunnison even though they say they have several. At least they sent me prepaid shipping return label and held the one G&G barrel. I see these rocket scientists pull the sight and barrel lever lug. I will have to replace those.
 
You folks that ordered one should have ordered three at that price and sold the balance on GB! I paid $220 at Cabela's more than a year ago for the same thing. I don't have a problem with that, but $180 per is an excellent price!

Go, Go, Go!

Jim
 
midland man said:
so please someone explain whats so special about it? I don't get it I guess??
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Because the 36 caliber G&G is the way a brass frame Colt style pistol is supposed to be:D

It is a fairly accurate copy of the "real" brass framed Confederate pistol, not just some fantasy gun someone choose to claim to be a "Confederate" model.
 
Cowhide Cliff said:
I would much rather shoot a navy size pistol in 36 caliber.

I always tell people if you are going to buy the 44 buy the 1860 Army and if they are buying the Navy buy the 36. That's just the way they are supposed to be and IMO they actually balance and handle better in the calibers they were designed.

You'd be surprised how much difference bore size makes in the weight of the barrel.

Plus it just looks all wrong with the frame notched and the step in the cylinder on a 51.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you but...

Talk to some 1873 colt owners / collectors and the majority of them will say that a 45 Colt 1873 handles better than a 357 1873. The reason being is the 45 Colt has less barrel weight because of the bigger bore diameter. More material is removed from the barrel from the 45 vs the 357.

Seems like that would be the same case for the fantasy 51/44 vs the historical 51/36.
 
midland man said:
so please someone explain whats so special about it? I don't get it I guess??
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Well, it is a brasser, but it has a part octagon/part round barrel, smooth non-engraved cylinder, and it is .36 caliber with a non-rebated cylinder nor cut water table.

And, if one owns a couple other Pietta 1851 Navy type pistols, one can create a Schneider & Glassick,

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a Leech & Rigdon,

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and a fantasy 1851 Navy Dragoon .36. ;)

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That's what is special!

If you or anyone else has a line on Pietta 1851 Navy .36 part octagon/part round complete barrel assemblies (barrel, load lever, rammer, wedge, and screws) for less than half of the cost of a complete pistol, along with a plain .36 cylinder, please be sure to let us all know. (I would bet that I would win the mega lottery before you or anyone would find such a thing.) That would be a hot item for a lot of us. It would allow owners of Pietta 1851 Navy brasser .36 pistols to create G&G pistols, as well as Pietta 1851 Navy steel .36 owners to create a L&R.

Since it is all CNC machining, it is just a matter of swapping a few parts with maybe minor fitting of the wedge to alleviate problems due to the Pietta Gorilla. If one does swaps as I do, keep the wedge with the respective barrel. It makes it much more simple.

Jim
 
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drobs said:
I don't necessarily disagree with you but...

Talk to some 1873 colt owners / collectors and the majority of them will say that a 45 Colt 1873 handles better than a 357 1873. The reason being is the 45 Colt has less barrel weight because of the bigger bore diameter. More material is removed from the barrel from the 45 vs the 357.

Seems like that would be the same case for the fantasy 51/44 vs the historical 51/36.
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drobs said:
I don't necessarily disagree with you but...

Talk to some 1873 colt owners / collectors and the majority of them will say that a 45 Colt 1873 handles better than a 357 1873. The reason being is the 45 Colt has less barrel weight because of the bigger bore diameter. More material is removed from the barrel from the 45 vs the 357.

Seems like that would be the same case for the fantasy 51/44 vs the historical 51/36.
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A SAA also has the same cylinder for the different calibers. The fantasy navy guns have an army cylinder in them, the 36 has the smaller smooth cylinder.
 
Sorry I was on the wrong forum. I thought I had clicked the link to Civil war talk. LOL
 
Tommygunn said:
Yeeeeyup. So good I ordered one.:D
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As did I, this morning. Had never traded with these people before and found their method a little unusual. After check out they state they don't conclude the order until they email one with a total price, with shipping. Four hours later, instead of an email its a phone call verifying the order and informing one of the shopping. A whooping $25 for UPS, signed for by an adult. :(. The only other option was FEDX, and he thought that would be more. Sort of negated the bargain buy, but I sprung anyway. USPS was not an option.
 
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