Gun "Super Owners"

ilbob said:

The article says in part:



So if you own more than 140 guns you are no longer a "super" owner?

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Ha! Maybe "more than 140 guns" gets you into the "Super Duper" class - as Jim NE said.

This is an attempt to counter the claims that gun ownership is broadening. By creating the false narrative that while Obama sold lots and lots of guns, they were mostly purchased by dangerous white guys, the effort of the leftist media is to 1) minimize the dangerous idea that exercising one's second amendment rights is "popular", 2) counter the view that politicians need to more broadly consider their actions to restrict second amendment rights because there are more gun owners, and 3) further demonize gun ownership by associating it with a small group of extremists (because the left only approves of broad groups of extremists). The data is flawed and the conclusions manufactured from the flimsiest of cloth.

The source eliminates all the newsworthy credibility of the thought.

Dog Soldier wrote:
A mother should find out if her children were visiting playmates who's parents owned guns? They should not allow their children in any home where guns were present.

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I am not a mother, but when our children were younger, my wife or I would always ascertain whether their new friends had guns in the house and how they were stored.

More than once, I discovered the parents of small children were keeping a loaded pistol in the nightstand or under the pillow. For the most part they didn't seem to care how foolish this was and none of them knew it was a violation of Section 46.13 of the Texas Penal code. So, no, I don't consider making sure that my children weren't playing in a criminal's house where guns were readily available to minors to be participating in any sort of anti-gun hysteria. I believe it was once derisively said that anyone who lets his kids get at his guns deserves to have his line die out.

ilbob said:

So if you own more than 140 guns you are no longer a "super" owner?

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Uh Oh!

Funny ... Antis are scared by the thought of someone owning 8 firearms (or one) and the folks here are just encouraged by the thought of it to acquire more.

hdwhit said:

I am not a mother, but when our children were younger, my wife or I would always ascertain whether their new friends had guns in the house and how they were stored.

More than once, I discovered the parents of small children were keeping a loaded pistol in the nightstand or under the pillow. For the most part they didn't seem to care how foolish this was and none of them knew it was a violation of Section 46.13 of the Texas Penal code. So, no, I don't consider making sure that my children weren't playing in a criminal's house where guns were readily available to minors to be participating in any sort of anti-gun hysteria. I believe it was once derisively said that anyone who lets his kids get at his guns deserves to have his line die out.

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Did you also inquire about the storage of Prescription drugs and swimming pools? Did you know if the parents had records of child molesting?
Have you reared your children to not plunder other people's homes? Have you trained your children with the NRA Eddie Eagle program?Yes, being safe from those deadly firearms is very important.

The problem with these studies is that they have no idea what they are talking about. All the numbers are just an educated(at best) guess. They’ve been using the 300 Million number as the total for the firearms in the US for over a decade, yet US manufacturers produce almost 10 Million guns every year and I’m sure the number of guns being imported into the US far exceeds the exports. The study in one part even estimates the number to be 265M guns in the US - they are clueless.

How did they come about the number 8? The majority homes in rural Iowa would be gun super owners under that definition. 2 or 3 shotguns, a couple rifles and a couple handguns pushes you over the line. I know a number of people that fall into that category and haven’t even bought or shot a gun in years.

I’m sure the whole purpose of the study is to and identify restrictions that could be put in place to punish the worst offenders i.e. gun super owners, that the population as a whole can get behind and feel that it will not impact them.

The funny thing about the study is that they are grasping at straws trying to identify the negative impact and even admit it – “Azrael, the lead author of the study, said there was no research on “whether owning a large number of guns is a greater risk factor than owning a few guns”.” What this means is that they couldn’t find and correlation between the “super owners” and anything negative to report. Why is it that black households are half as likely to own guns but young black males are four time more likely to be killed by gun violence? In the 2 states (FL & TX) that track crimes committed by people with permits to carry(those same gun nuts who are likely to be super owners…), the number of crimes per capita is less than the number of crimes committed by police officer per capita which is also significantly less than the average population as a whole. The gun super owners aren’t the problem…

All of these Anti-Gun pronouncements are intended to arouse fear among the voting public. It works? How many young Americans will grow up fearing firearms? The results are awaiting us in the next generation.

8 guns?

Well shucks....I guess I was a super owner at 13 years old.

Yet another media invented term for something they don't understand and don't like.
We had a customer in the shop long ago, who everybody would think should not own firearms at all, but he owned a large collection of Carcano's and the like. Never shot any of 'em either. Another guy was a biker who has probably the largest collection of automatic weapons in Canada. Including a 1928 I think, Thompson SMG that's never been fired and the most beautiful made for the civilian market BAR LMG you've ever seen. Eight is nothing.

I just realized I have 8 guns right now that I have never fired and 3 that have never been fired by anyone.
Lol.
It seems I have some range work to do.

Dog Soldier said:

All of these Anti-Gun pronouncements are intended to arouse fear among the voting public. It works? How many young Americans will grow up fearing firearms? The results are awaiting us in the next generation.

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That sums it up perfectly........ Demographics change slowly........ As you and your generation get older the younger succeeding generations become more of what is commonly known as "mainstream". Think it's bad now? Just wait until all those little kids are adults after growing up under the "guns are terrible" public education system we have today.

I have 3 sons who will grow up knowing how to responsibly handle firearms my 6 year old shot a deer this past year with a .243 he also shoots AR15 and 9mm pistols no guns are bad influence........super owner

I guess I never realized I was the owner of anything super. Hooray for me.

22250Rem said:

That sums it up perfectly........ Demographics change slowly........ As you and your generation get older the younger succeeding generations become more of what is commonly known as "mainstream". Think it's bad now? Just wait until all those little kids are adults after growing up under the "guns are terrible" public education system we have today.

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I figure you're right, 22250Rem. I was born and raised around guns and hunting, but I'm 69, my wife is 65, and only one of our 4 grandchildren (all boys) is really into guns. The other 3 could take them or leave them. And only one of their parents (one of our two daughters) gives a dang about guns.
Yeah, things are going to get a lot worse. It's selfish I know, but the fact is, I'm kinda grateful I won't be around to see it. You have to understand - I've been hearing and fighting this "guns are terrible" thing since JFK was shot - a long time. I'm tired.
I do feel sorry for our one grandson who loves his guns though. Very few people of his grandma's and grandpa's generation are going to be around help him in his struggles against "mainstream" (as you put it) thinking, let alone the poison spewed by the public education system.

hdwhit said:

It is a label that, in my opinion, is best ignored and allowed to fade into academic obscurity.

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The problem is that pejorative phrases wind up in popular lexicon no matter what.

Consider the phrase: "Binge Drinking."

Pretty much every English-speaking person can conjure up an image to suit that phrase. In academic realms, such things are (supposed to be) defined, and everyone uses the same definition. The popular press, and we, the public, sadly are often not as rigorous in our usage.

The original Harvard study on college-age drinking (which was meant to be a study of under-age drinking, and did not do a very good job of it) gave a very specific definition from their survey questionnaire.
Which is patently absurd. By that definition, most of Europe are binge drinkers. By that definition, some fraction of THR members are binge drinkers--except that they are not. No more than they are "super owners." Which is why all pejoratives devolve into ad hominem, which moots any ability to sensibly debate the topic at all.

A similar perjoritive mor familiar to THR would be "assault weapons." A term where "everybody knows what is meant" except that the details matter. So, rather than be able to frame the debate correctly, first the untrue perjoration has to be disproven, and thus ends debate.

Oh man, there is so much going through my head right now I don't think I can get it all out. Hmmm. Okay, here goes.

I used to be a super owner but I just lost them all in a tragic boating accident.

8 guns? What about 8 gun safes? (I've only got four. They are small but still safes. I know a guy who has 8 large safes and they are full.)

So many that own more than 8, hmmm? I wonder how many more super-owners there will be when the current owners die. (In my case, there will be at least two, probably three, to replace me if I went right now and probably four before I'm done.)

8 guns? I was at an NRA banquet and came home with a Henry 22, an AR-15 and something else but I can't remember what right now. And I was one number away from getting a real nice Kimber rifle and two numbers away from a nice Keltec. One of my tablemates walked out with a new 9 mm in pink for his girls. The anti's would be in real conniptions if they could witness a Friends of the NRA banquet.

At any one time, in my 40 person office there are probably at least 8 of us carrying. Does that make us a super-business?

Too late, the rest of are gone from my mind.

Posting the number of guns you own on the web is not wise. You never know how that information maybe used and by whom?

Well, I can see I have a lot of work to do. I'm nowhere close to 140 guns. I feel like a slacker. I'm so embarrassed.

Not near 140, but......
Oh......Yeaaaaaaah !

Love it !

"Gun Super Owner"? Who would come up with that term?

Ah, the same liberal gun grabbers that used to call for any person who owned multiple guns to have a 'arsenal permit' and they have to pay an 'Arsenal Tax'!

You know... Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, Chuck Schumer, etc... The usual suspects.

Deaf

140 is the cutoff! Well I better start buying!

Maybe my wife will now understand.

Deaf

Deaf Smith said:

140 is the cutoff! Well I better start buying!

Maybe my wife will now understand.

Deaf

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Go for it, Deaf !
As for myself, well...........?