Impressive ladder test - Hodgdon Superformance in 30-06

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Just got back from the range where I was performing a ladder test with Superformance powder in my 30-06 Tikka T3x under 165-grain Hornady SST's.

This time I decided to do something a little different. I loaded 3 rounds of each charge and shot one round at 100, 200 and 300 yards at the same bullseye (except for 100 - since I accidentally loaded two 60-grain charges).

I wanted to see how the loads "walk" and see if there was a cluster around a certain charge. I was pleasantly surprised by the results.

These are the groups at 100 and 200 yards and 300 was very similar (still easily sub-MOA). Keep in mind that these groups were one shot each at 59-61 grains of powder in .5-grain increments. The groups still held sub-MOA performance despite the 2-grains variance in charge. That tells me this is a very forgiving powder/bullet combination in my gun - something that matters a lot to me personally.

Let me know what you think about this method. Has anyone else tried it, and if so, what were your results?

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Incidentally, I did the same with 180-grain Accubonds ( a bullet that is very accurate in this rifle over IMR-4350 powder) and the results were not nearly as impressive. The Superformance powder and 165 SST's really shined today.
 
That is some very impressive grouping for a sporter weight 30-06!

I have never tried anything comparable to what you did, but when working up loads I've noticed some guns change point of impact a lot with powder weight change and others not so much. My 444 will change point of impact a good 8 inches with a 3 grain charge ladder
 
Thanks. That rifle weighs exactly 7 lbs. with the 3-9x40 Nikon scope on it. I bought it for a lightweight "mountain" rifle over the Kimber, and I'm happy with my choice.

I've also noticed significant changes in POI with changes in charge weight in other guns/load combinations. Newberry's OCW ladder test gave me the idea for this, but I figured that instead of just shooting all the rounds at the same distance, why not take advantage of the three distances I have at my range and see if I can detect some patterns. Indeed I did and it inspires a lot of confidence when I see groups like these at multiple distances with a full 2-grains variance.

The 61-grain (Hodgdon's max) rounds were well above the group at 100, 200 and 300 yards and indicate to me that the pressures are starting to build. So I think I'll dial it back to 60-60.5 grains for use in the field.
 
Most cartridges shoot with equal accuracy across a 3% to 4% spread in charge weighs. Heavier charges print higher due to slightly faster muzzle velocity and sometimes more muzzle rise during barrel time.

That's very good shooting and load selection plus reloading.
 
Very nice! So what is your next move? Obviously around 59.5 looks very forgiving. Any idea on the velocities you were getting?
 
Most cartridges shoot with equal accuracy across a 3% to 4% spread in charge weighs. Heavier charges print higher due to slightly faster muzzle velocity and sometimes more muzzle rise during barrel time.

That's very good shooting and load selection plus reloading.

Thanks Bart!

Very nice! So what is your next move? Obviously around 59.5 looks very forgiving. Any idea on the velocities you were getting?

One of the reasons I chose to run the test at 3 distances was that my chrono is in the shop at the moment, and I was hoping to get some sense of velocity by running the ballistics. So no, no real idea yet of velocity - just a guess for now. But I should have my chrono back any day now, so I will reload a handful at 59.5, 60 and 60.5 and see if I can duplicate these results over the chrono. I am hoping to have this particular bullet (165 SST) over 2800 fps. and would really like to be closer to 2850-2900 but I am not going to hold my breath either. Anytime I've run a load over my chrono, it always seems to come in 50-150 fps. slower than published velocities.

The 165 SST's were chosen for a few reasons... first - because I felt that was a good bullet weight to swap back and forth between my .308 and my '06, second - because I've had great accuracy with SST's in the past, third - because they are cheap :D (like me), and fourth - because I am hoping the 165 interbonds will shoot the same so I can load those for an elk hunt this fall.

The idea of being able to use SST's for load development, deer hunting and general range work, then substitute interbonds for heavier duty like elk, is very appealing to me. I know the same can probably be done with Nosler BT's and Accubonds, but like I said - I'm cheap! LOL
 
Anytime I've run a load over my chrono, it always seems to come in 50-150 fps. slower than published velocities.
That's normal when your ammo's not loaded the same way with the same component lots and shot in a different barrel that's not held the same way as yours is.

The same rifle and ammo can easily show a 50 to 100 fps difference in velocity shot by different people. We all don't hold them the same way. The same load can easily show a 100 fps difference across several barrels all the same length held the same way.

This may well be the least understood part of chronographed load comparisons.
 
Nice groups...

I've had very erratic performance with factory Hornady Superperformance ammo in my 7mm-08. Erratic is an understatement, with a few rounds showing signs of overpressure. Bullets were all over the place, so much so, that I thought my scope was loose or the action was loose. Neither was the case. I did contact Hornady, but didn't have any more of the bullets to send them. This might have been caused by a bad lot of ammunition, but based on this experience, I will never buy that ammo again.

That experience left me with a bad feeling about Superperformance ammo. Glad to hear that the powder is giving good results for you.
 
The powder marketed as Superformance is not the same powder as is used in all lines of Superformance factory ammo. I asked Hornady about this, and they said that there are a variety of formulations that go into the different Superformance factory loads.
 
The powder marketed as Superformance is not the same powder as is used in all lines of Superformance factory ammo. I asked Hornady about this, and they said that there are a variety of formulations that go into the different Superformance factory loads.

Thank you for that information, very helpful...
 
That's remarkable for any ammo company to reveal such info.

Hah, you caught me Bart! I looked up the email and I guess it was Hodgdon that revealed this info in June '15.

I asked this question:

Hello,

I use your published load data all the time when working up or perfecting new loads and really appreciate you making this resource available.

I am inquiring to see if you have any .270 Winchester load data using your Superformance powder. I have not seen any data online, but Hornady does offer Superformance loads for this caliber which purportedly use the Superformance powder. Any help you might be able to provide would be much appreciated. Thanks and have a great afternoon.

And received this answer:

There are over thirty blends of SuPerformance powder that Hornady uses in their loaded ammo. The blend we sell in canister form did not perform well in the 270 Win. so no data was published with it for that cartridge.

Some Guy

Customer Service Representative

Hodgdon Powder Company


A vague confirmation of what everyone already knows: that ammo companies are not limited to canister grade powders and can, and do use whatever blends best fit their needs doesn't seem too remarkable to me. But then again, what do I know, I'm no Bart B. ;)
 
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Based on my understanding the factory superformance loads are made with a different blend of powders for each cartridge. The superformance powder they sell is the same formula they use for factory 30-06 loads. I've read of several guys who got similar performance with 30-06 and Superformance powder. Less so with other cartridges.

Good shooting and I like your choice in rifles. I have a Kimber in 308 and I like it. But overall I think it is TOO light for an all around rifle, especially if it were in 30-06. The Tikka's are great shooters and I find somewhere between 7-7.5 lbs about perfect.
 
jmr40 - thanks and I came to the same conclusion as you, that although I went in to buy the Kimber 84 on sale (same price as the Tikka) I walked out with the Tikka after literally hours of consideration. The Kimber was so light it felt like a toy in my hands, plus the reviews indicated they were great guns if you got a good one. I never read or heard anything about the Tikka other than they were sub-MOA guns for everyone who owned them. I did put a Limbsaver recoil pad on my Tikka and now that 7lb. rifle is very manageable with full '06 loads. Before then, it was about all I wanted!

I also read that the Superformance powder they sell for reloading is the stuff formulated for '06, which is why I was eager to try it. Glad I did. Even better news is that my LGS has it on the shelf for $22/lb.! Not sure how or why but I'm not objecting.

I was glad to see Hodgdon clearly explain the fact that most Superformance powders are custom blends for specific calibers. That kind of up-front honesty really appeals to me as a consumer.
 
Got my chrono back from service today, so I was able to run some numbers...

Folks, at least in my '06, this Superformance powder is legit. I'm getting within 50 fps. of the published velocity from the 22" barrel on my Tikka. I tested 60 and 60.5 grain loads again today under 165 SST's, and I averaged 2850 and 2880 fps. respectively. Groups were still fantastic. Sub-MOA out to my 300-yard target. One happy camper here!
 
Anyone loading for an '06 owes it to themselves to try this powder IMO. Shot a single confirmation round at the range on Saturday. 300 yards, cold shot. Put the round in the center of a 2"x2" box. Chrono read 2876 fps. with 60 grains of powder under a 165 SST.

I'm loving this stuff out of my Tikka
 
Im gonna give it another shot in my 06 maybe tomorrow

. Ive had mixed results with superform so far. My 06 load was 150fps lower than id expected and accuracy was ok.

I had a similar experience with my 6.5cm, and .250AI, it wasnt till i was over book max that the loads seemed to come alive in regards to accuracy, velocity and consistency.
My .250AI, that might be an honest .5moa gun, shot my last charge step with a es of 5, if i remember correctly (its saved on my magspeed). That has to be viewed cynically tho as it was only 5 rounds.

My 6.5 seemed to pick up a little later earlier, and showed less primer flattening, accuracy was right inline for this gun, and other known good loads.

I also switched to mag primers.

This could just be the lot of powder i ended up with, when i get a new batch ill rework my loads.
 
This could just be the lot of powder i ended up with, when i get a new batch ill rework my loads.
.................. you're not fooling anyone young man, we know you're just looking for an excuse to shoot more! But really guys, I'm curious about this super powder so thanks for sharing your results and please keep updating!
 
I should add that the Superformance powder didn't seem to like the 180 Accubonds that much. They were very accurate over IMR 4350, but only about 1.5 MOA with the Superformance. It was just the opposite for the 165 SST's however. Only average over 4350 but exceptional over Superformance powder.

I have some 165 Interbonds on the way, and I'll know soon whether the claim that they shoot to the same POA as SST's is true or not. I hope it is. If so, I'm done with the Tikka. ;)
 
I shoot my ladders at 300yrds, and shoot 3-5shots in round robin. Your 2 groups seem to have similar dispersion and order from top to bottom, scaled for range, so they might count as a two shot group, but I'd likely shoot more reps of the test before I settled in. Overall, it looks like you're in a pretty good band.

What do your MV's look like?
 
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