Another 243 loader - just starting

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I am looking for a bullet and powder combination for target shooting only out to 500 yards.
This will be through a Savage 11VT and 110E project with (as of yet, undetermined barrel length).
Looking for starting points. I have Googled but did not find a decent answer.
Thank you.
 
I also load the .243 for target only. I'm pretty new to the caliber as well.

I have a Rem 700 and it LOVES H1000.

For bullets I've had good suucess with Hornady's 105gr and 108gr match bullets. Berger's 115gr VLD Target bullets work really well too.

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I am looking for a bullet and powder combination for target shooting only out to 500 yards.
This will be through a Savage 11VT and 110E project with (as of yet, undetermined barrel length).
Looking for starting points. I have Googled but did not find a decent answer.
Thank you.
For only 500 yds? With a standard savage twist? H1000 and any decent hunting bullet or berger from 95-100 gr will work dandy, unless you get to try the 103 eldx before I do.... I've run some pretty groups at 500 with pro hunter pills, but the all copper bullets have a better bc and I can run em faster so I'm on 4451 with that project. The standard go to though is either a Max load of h1000 under a 95 btip or a 100 Sierra.
 
What's your criteria for "decent?" Here's information as good as one can get from the 'net.

http://www.6mmbr.com/243Win.html

Scroll down to the load data, then pick one.

Read all the article, too, to get a broader perspective.

This link is the one that got me a little overloaded. What I got from this is that there are many powders and bullets to choose from. Match your powder to your bullet. I was hoping for a good starting point. That's why I stated paper to 500. I was guessing that I might not need the heavy bullets? Plus the factory twist would probably be better with the lighter ones?
I only need out to 500 for now. I was hoping to avoid ladders of 6 different powders and 6 more of tips.
I certainly appreciate the tips of H1000. I have seen this one mentioned a lot. Maybe I should have started a poll...
Thank you all.
 
IMR 4166 is another good powder for 100gr Sierra and Speer. Printed nearly identical to H1000 at 100yds for me at 35grs.
 
Welcome to the forum bric2000.

Since you are a reloaders already you must have at least one manual so I'm wondering why you would Google the information? If you don't have a manual most of the powder sites and bullet sites have online data that can be trusted. It's safer than asking strangers on the Net because mistakes can and will happen when posting numbers.

That said, as you see from the posts H1000 is a good powder for the .243 and I'm told by some shooters at the range the newer IMR7977 which is right next to H1000 on the burn rate chart is also very good. Seeing the results of their shooting I believe them. If you're not a fan of super slow powders like H1000 I have seen some very good accuracy with Hybrid 100V. There are a good number of powders that will work well for you.

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This link is the one that got me a little overloaded. What I got from this is that there are many powders and bullets to choose from. Match your powder to your bullet. I was hoping for a good starting point. That's why I stated paper to 500. I was guessing that I might not need the heavy bullets? Plus the factory twist would probably be better with the lighter ones?
I only need out to 500 for now. I was hoping to avoid ladders of 6 different powders and 6 more of tips.
I certainly appreciate the tips of H1000. I have seen this one mentioned a lot. Maybe I should have started a poll...
Thank you all.
The heavier bullets are recommended because somewhere around 500 yds, the wind starts making herself known to your groups, so heavier/longer bullets help out there. as for factory twist, 1:9.25" is plenty fast enough for the heavy hunting types, try out JBM tools, I personally stay away from anything in the marginal zone when I can, and try to stay as high on the scale as possible for my arid climate temps (-30 up to 110).
http://www.jbmballistics.com/ballistics/lengths/lengths.shtml#Nosler
http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmstab-5.1.cgi
 
FWIW I noticed that some of the 1000 yard shooters were using 105's the other day (6mm dasher). Don't know the brand but they did NOT have a plastic tip.
 
85 plus grain bullets and IMR4350. Better to go as heavy as you can for long range. Just remember that the .243, like most hunting cartridges, drops like a brick past 300 yards.
 
The heavier bullets are recommended because somewhere around 500 yds, the wind starts making herself known to your groups, so heavier/longer bullets help out there.
A given bullet drifts at right angles to the line off sight at the same speed for a given cross wind. Doesn't matter how far they are down range nor how fast they're moving.

A bullet having a 1.5 second time of flight to 1000 yards and drifts 100 inches in a 10 mph crosswind moves sideways at almost 4 mph throughout its trajectory. That includes the first 100 yards.

Just remember that the .243, like most hunting cartridges, drops like a brick past 300 yards.
Bullets drop faster than bricks; they've more mass for their shape (sectional density) with their higher "BC," if you wish. They drop at their own same rate regardless of range. A favorite long range benchrest cartridge shoots 24 caliber bullets slower than the 243; the 6mm Dasher.
 
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This link is the one that got me a little overloaded. What I got from this is that there are many powders and bullets to choose from. Match your powder to your bullet. I was hoping for a good starting point. That's why I stated paper to 500. I was guessing that I might not need the heavy bullets? Plus the factory twist would probably be better with the lighter ones?
I only need out to 500 for now. I was hoping to avoid ladders of 6 different powders and 6 more of tips.
I certainly appreciate the tips of H1000. I have seen this one mentioned a lot. Maybe I should have started a poll...
Thank you all.
That data your looking at is from 2006.
This link is the one that got me a little overloaded. What I got from this is that there are many powders and bullets to choose from. Match your powder to your bullet. I was hoping for a good starting point. That's why I stated paper to 500. I was guessing that I might not need the heavy bullets? Plus the factory twist would probably be better with the lighter ones?
I only need out to 500 for now. I was hoping to avoid ladders of 6 different powders and 6 more of tips.
I certainly appreciate the tips of H1000. I have seen this one mentioned a lot. Maybe I should have started a poll...
Thank you all.
 
Plus the factory twist would probably be better with the lighter ones
The 85 gr Sierra hpbt #1530 and IMR 4350 at around 42.0 gr in Win or Rem brass, sorted by weight and primed with CCI BR 2 is a good starting point to test out a new rifle.

I have fired this loading in more than a few 243 win guns. Expect 1" or better average @ 100 yds. Some lots are better then others.

For tighter groups, switch to Berger 90 gr hpbt match, Part Number 24425 and IMR 4831. Its listed for a 1-9 twist, but i am using a 1-10 with a 27" barrel, so velocity is higher than normal. This powder needs just the right amount. 1/2 gr up or down and it wont do 1" at 300 yards. FL bushing die, neck turned brass, benchrest prep brass.
 
This powder needs just the right amount. 1/2 gr up or down and it wont do 1" at 300 yards.
Is 1" what it'll do or better all the time?

Or is that's about the smallest group size that powder charge produces? And all others are larger
 
The 6 Dasher isn't much slower
This link is the one that got me a little overloaded. What I got from this is that there are many powders and bullets to choose from. Match your powder to your bullet. I was hoping for a good starting point. That's why I stated paper to 500. I was guessing that I might not need the heavy bullets? Plus the factory twist would probably be better with the lighter ones?
I only need out to 500 for now. I was hoping to avoid ladders of 6 different powders and 6 more of tips.
I certainly appreciate the tips of H1000. I have seen this one mentioned a lot. Maybe I should have started a poll...
Thank you all.

This link is the one that got me a little overloaded. What I got from this is that there are many powders and bullets to choose from. Match your powder to your bullet. I was hoping for a good starting point. That's why I stated paper to 500. I was guessing that I might not need the heavy bullets? Plus the factory twist would probably be better with the lighter ones?
I only need out to 500 for now. I was hoping to avoid ladders of 6 different powders and 6 more of tips.
I certainly appreciate the tips of H1000. I have seen this one mentioned a lot. Maybe I should have started a poll...
Thank you all.

I've been shooting 243 a long time, more than I care to mention. As someone mentioned the Sierra 85gr HPBT is good place to start with IMR-4350/H-4350. You can take H-4350 and load Hornady 87gr HPT also both powders for Berger 95gr Target VLD. H-1000 is good powder but you going to be compressed. If you look at Hodgdon data for 100gr Sierra max load for H-1000 is 47gr @ 3000fps and max load for H-4350 is 40gr @ 2973fps,max for IMR-4350 is 42gr @2958fps. If your shooting 105gr on up H-1000 would be good powder to use or IMR-7977.
 
Since you are a reloaders already you must have at least one manual
I fail to see the logic in "must have" one or more manuals. The Internet has load data surpassing any paper media. None of those loads' data listed will be duplicated in your loads shot in your rifles.
 
I fail to see the logic in "must have" one or more manuals. The Internet has load data surpassing any paper media. None of those loads' data listed will be duplicated in your loads shot in your rifles.
When I said "must have" I didn't mean he was required to have one, only that since he has been doing this for a while he probably bought a manual along the way. It's just the way I said it, I really didn't mean required to have. I did tell him where to find the data online.
 
A given bullet drifts at right angles to the line off sight at the same speed for a given cross wind. Doesn't matter how far they are down range nor how fast they're moving.

A bullet having a 1.5 second time of flight to 1000 yards and drifts 100 inches in a 10 mph crosswind moves sideways at almost 4 mph throughout its trajectory. That includes the first 100 yards.

Bullets drop faster than bricks; they've more mass for their shape (sectional density) with their higher "BC," if you wish. They drop at their own same rate regardless of range. A favorite long range benchrest cartridge shoots 24 caliber bullets slower than the 243; the 6mm Dasher.
yah, newton says they all drop at the same rate. that's why a faster, slicker bullet prints higher at a given distance (it gets there faster with less drag).

murf
 
this is why I use the 100gr sierra bullets with Winchester 760 powder my load is with sierra part# 1540 using 37.6gr of 760 powder I found this is an excellent load!
 
I've been using Accurate 4350 with great results with 95gr SST and 85gr Sierra BTHP. I also picked up some Hybrid 100V to try soon.
 
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