Are you saying the instructions on the 4473 have nothing to do with a NICS check? The ATF might disagree with you about that statement.
Oh good grief. You can't be this obtuse.
First, in post # 39 I pointed out your error in calling my response to ilbill wrong. Now, rather than attempt to defend your nonsensical quoting of instructions on the Form 4473.....you're asking if they have nothing to do with a NICS check?
The instructions on the Form 4473 are for the buyer/transferee and dealer to ensure that the form is completed correctly. IT HAS ZERO TO DO WITH THE FBI NICS CHECK!!!!!!!! Wanna know why? Because its NOT the instructions that are for the FBI,
but the responses to Questions #1-#16......GET IT?
THE RESPONSES, not the instructions. If the buyer or dealer has questions, they should refer to the instructions.
Until the buyer/transferee has signed and dated the Form 4473 the check CANNOT be initiated.
I never said it could. In fact I referenced the instruction for exactly that on page 3 of the 4473
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Is English your first language?
I ask because you keep referring to the instructions to "page 3 of the 4473" as if I somehow have ignored them in this thread. In fact, not only have I NOT ignored the directions, I've stated several times that the Form 4473 must be completed before the NICS check is initiated.
And by the way, the instructions you quoted? MENTIONS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT THE NICS CHECK.
What part of that do you not get?
For that portion they do. Again, I never said they didn't.
Well, yes you did: "FFL's in VA don't use NICS. They have to be registered with the state police and
they have a different set of instructions for a background check."
You fail wholly and completely at understanding the PROCEDURE that is a firearms transaction. The buyer completes and signs the Form 4473 and only then can the dealer initiate the background check. IT MATTERS NOT ONE BIT WHAT STATE THE DEALER IS IN. If Massachusetts requires a stool sample or Washington state requires you to give a fingerprint........the dealer will still require that the Form 4473 be completed and signed before he initiates the background check.
But some of the procedures are different. Here is the procedures they follow in VA if you care to read it.
http://www.vsp.virginia.gov/downloads/firearms/2016 Virginia Firearms Dealers Procedures Manual.pdf
OMG!
Did you actually read that? The procedure IS NOT ONE BIT DIFFERENT!!!!!!
The buyer completes and signs the Form 4473 and then the dealer initiates the background check with a NICS state point of contact! In fact, that procedure manual even says that!
Did you read this on page IV-1 ?
The SP-65 form shall be completed in conjunction with the Federal Form 4473, and shall be completed in its entirety prior to the criminal history background check request.
Funny how procedure is exactly the same as in Texas isn't it?
1. Complete and sign the Form 4473,
2. Dealer verifies identity of buyer by reviewing the photo ID.
3. Dealer conducts background check.
In WA a dealer has interactive software on his computer provided by the state which is his POC for handguns. Some of the input info is the same, some isn't. In a POC state the state determines the eligibility of the transferee, not the FBI.
The information is being given to a NICS STATE POINT OF CONTACT.........DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? If you did you wouldn't continue to post this silly nonsense.
NCIC database may have records that prevent the transfer, but the state may also have records that prevent the transfer that the FBI may not have.
NCIC? FBI NICS involves several more databases than NCIC. And yes, I know that there are state and local databases that the FBI doesn't have direct access to. If you would take the time to read up on FBI NICS you'll see that they call those same state databases when there is potentially disqualifying information on a buyer.
State laws are sometimes different than federal law with regards to eligibility and wait periods.
Do you really think I don't know the laws are different in Texas vs Arizona vs Florida vs California vs New York vs Washington? Good grief man. I suppose your head would explode if I told you I don't run any sort of background check on 70% of my buyers......because I don't have to.
You need to read more, post less.
How do you know so much about the procedures in a POC state?
I read. You should try it sometime.
Ever run a background check in a POC state?
Nope, and obviously neither have you.