Clint Smith on the Mossberg Shockwave

It's just the same old AOWs we've had for decades, but without the tax stamp.

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Not really, there is a minimum OAL for these that don't apply to the AOW. Its a category of firearm that up to now has been under-served by manufacturers. Also unlike an AOL they can't have a pistol grip or vertical fore-grip. Certainly not "radically new" but an existing category under the law that has largely been ignored until now.

wally said:

Not really, there is a minimum OAL for these that don't apply to the AOW. Its a category of firearm that up to now has been under-served undeserved by manufacturers. Also unlike an AOL they can't have a pistol grip or vertical fore-grip. Certainly not "radically new" but an existing category under the law that has largely been ignored until now.

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What I'm saying is that their nature hasn't changed from a practical perspective. If you've shot one you've shot them all.

grampajack said:

You can say those things about any Mossberg. It's just a 590 with a pistol grip. And I would be willing to bet that most people here have at some point shot a PGO 590, or some other PGO only shotgun. This isn't something radically new. It's just the same old AOWs we've had for decades, but without the tax stamp.

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UH NOT ZACTLY,you see in many states [ mine for example ] we were NEVER allowed an AOW,SBR etc.

Now the difference is I can shoot and easily use a 14" barreled 'whatever' it is called ,in the form of the shockwave.

And I see it as a great deal more manageable in CQB [ like a house ] than my 870,that I happen to LOVE and would tread into hell with.

I would actually prefer to add a full stock to the shockwave,thereby making MUCH less concealable = BUT more user friendly.

BUT for reasons only a politician could explain [ but will not ] that would make me an outlaw and a criminal.

As it stands,I will state that I [ yes me and only me ] really like the handling and abilitys of this tool,ESPECIALLY with the shorty shells [ a HOOT to shoot ].

scaatylobo said:

And I see it as a great deal more manageable in CQB [ like a house ] than my 870,

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Have you run any close quarters drills against the clock to validate this?

mavracer said:

Have you run any close quarters drills against the clock to validate this?

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Not yet,and so far I have never read or heard tell of a clock attacking an armed man.

OR ---- an unarmed man,so I feel pretty safe with just my normal shooting speed of " as fast as I can possibly hit ".

If I get a chance,I actually will try that.

scaatylobo said:

Not yet,and so far I have never read or heard tell of a clock attacking an armed man.

OR ---- an unarmed man,so I feel pretty safe with just my normal shooting speed of " as fast as I can possibly hit ".

If I get a chance,I actually will try that.

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It's just a pretty common thing on forums for people to claim that PGO weapons don't slow them down, they can shoot better without using their sights, etc. I've yet to encounter anyone who is not seriously handicapped by such things and just won't accept it.

Might it be a convenient way to carry a firearm capable of shooting shotgun ammunition out in the woods when not hunting? Not trying to attack or defend - I shot a traditionally style pistol grip shotgun years ago, with the Pachmeyer grip, and it was decidedly unpleasant. I can see how the Raptor grip could make it less so, and to answer the question seen above, no, I have never handled one, much less fired one, but I am intrigued. I could see one slung on the side of a backpack for a camp gun of sorts, perhaps. What is the difference in effectiveness for the famous Minishells as opposed to traditional 2 3/4 inch shells?

grampajack said:

It's just a pretty common thing on forums for people to claim that PGO weapons don't slow them down, they can shoot better without using their sights, etc. I've yet to encounter anyone who is not seriously handicapped by such things and just won't accept it.

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I will not claim it is not slower to place a REALLY accurate shot on target.

BUT the ability to carry it a great deal more comfortably and to conceal it more = are a couple reasons.

And as long as the contact range is less than 10 yards,I see no loss of accuracy or speed.

But as I stated,I will endeavor to time it and post the speeds.

armoredman said:

Might it be a convenient way to carry a firearm capable of shooting shotgun ammunition out in the woods when not hunting? Not trying to attack or defend - I shot a traditionally style pistol grip shotgun years ago, with the Pachmeyer grip, and it was decidedly unpleasant. I can see how the Raptor grip could make it less so, and to answer the question seen above, no, I have never handled one, much less fired one, but I am intrigued. I could see one slung on the side of a backpack for a camp gun of sorts, perhaps. What is the difference in effectiveness for the famous Minishells as opposed to traditional 2 3/4 inch shells?

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i think the interesting thing about the shockwave is that there was already a shotgun, that does everything it can do in the exact same length package, with twice the capacity (not even mounting mini-shells), with a shoulder stock. the shockwave weighs less, of course, but it will anyway with less ammo in a full load.

its called the Kel-Tec KSG. on the used market, they are only a couple hundred bucks more than the shockwave. its just funny that the supporters think its some new way to skin a cat. its already been skinned and skinned much cleaner and nicer., IMHO. everyone can buy what they want, but its not for me.

One wrinkle to consider is that since the Shockwave is NOT a pistol, treating it like a pistol and carrying it loaded and concealed in something like a GHB backpack can run afoul of weapons laws, especially if your state issues concealed HANDGUN permits, but not concealed WEAPON permits- Yes, there is a difference.

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One wrinkle to consider is that since the Shockwave is NOT a pistol, treating it like a pistol and carrying it loaded and concealed in something like a GHB backpack can run afoul of weapons laws, especially if your state issues concealed HANDGUN permits, but not concealed WEAPON permits- Yes, there is a difference.

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I was thinking the same thing. I'm seeing people wanting to use it as a truck gun, but I know that would be illegal in my state. They limit bore size to .45 cal and **** a brick if they caught you with that thing locked and loaded in your car. Same thing if you were hunting with it slung over your back. You're allowed to carry a pistol while hunting, but something tells me that thing would get you into trouble, especially if you didn't limit it to three shells.

Unfortunately, it sounds like a weapon that any sort of practical application outside of home defense can easily be interpreted to run a foul of a variety of laws. If wonder if this too is going to end-up being the case with the various "arm brace" pistols on the market.

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Unfortunately, it sounds like a weapon that any sort of practical application outside of home defense can easily be interpreted to run a foul of a variety of laws. If wonder if this too is going to end-up being the case with the various "arm brace" pistols on the market.

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I've often wondered that. To my knowledge my state doesn't have any laws against rifle caliber pistols, as long as they're less than 45 cal. It would be interesting to see someone test that out. I'm surprised my CCW class didn't cover that. That was years ago though before they were common, so they might have passed something in the last ten years.

Charger442 said:

i think the interesting thing about the shockwave is that there was already a shotgun, that does everything it can do in the exact same length package, with twice the capacity (not even mounting mini-shells), with a shoulder stock. the shockwave weighs less, of course, but it will anyway with less ammo in a full load.

its called the Kel-Tec KSG. on the used market, they are only a couple hundred bucks more than the shockwave. its just funny that the supporters think its some new way to skin a cat. its already been skinned and skinned much cleaner and nicer., IMHO. everyone can buy what they want, but its not for me.

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Beg to differ,the shockwave is a GREAT deal better in balance that that pile of plastic that when loaded is a ton to hump.

AND has the balance & feel of a loaded VW bug.

AND it has THE worst slide action I have ever felt on a pump gun of any caliber.

And I actually prefer to shoot the mini slugs as they are SO easy to shoot & control

C0untZer0 said:

Clint tells people to use the strap and warns people to not take it off the forend. But I noticed the Remington version of this - the 870 Tac-14 doesn't even come with a strap.

Has anyone who has actually fired the Mossberg Shockwave have an opinion on the strap?

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I've had one for 6-7 weeks now, and have shot both 2 3/4" #4 Buck and 2 3/4" high brass #6 shot shells through it.

I like the "strap," and wouldn't attempt to shoot it fast without the strap.

I let several other folks shoot it with the #6 loads, and everyone liked the way it shot.

I've seen photos of people who blew their hands off with short pump actions, so yea I would definitely use the strap. That sort of thing kind of sticks with you...

I think using my Shockwave without a strap would be ok, but I like it there, it gives you a little more control, Remington doesn't have that, but then Remington doesn't have the mini shell capability either for those that want that...

Went to local show. There were several short barreled "stake out" Remingtons and Mossbergs for sale. The lowest price found for each at different dealers was $399+tax. The only thing interesting I found at this show was older 1100 Police Magnum with extended mag bead sight plus box and papers. It look unused but price tag was steep $879. It seemed expensive, but perhaps the price was fair. I don't know.

Seems to be some confusion on capacity, Clint says four in tube, one in chamber, 4+1, advertisements say 5+1.

The Remington only holds 4 + 1, the Mosberg Shockwave holds 5 + 1, plus you can use the mini shells in the Mosberg , but not the Remington.. .

scaatylobo said:

UH NOT ZACTLY,you see in many states [ mine for example ] we were NEVER allowed an AOW,SBR etc.

Now the difference is I can shoot and easily use a 14" barreled 'whatever' it is called ,in the form of the shockwave.

And I see it as a great deal more manageable in CQB [ like a house ] than my 870,that I happen to LOVE and would tread into hell with.

I would actually prefer to add a full stock to the shockwave,thereby making MUCH less concealable = BUT more user friendly.

BUT for reasons only a politician could explain [ but will not ] that would make me an outlaw and a criminal.

As it stands,I will state that I [ yes me and only me ] really like the handling and abilitys of this tool,ESPECIALLY with the shorty shells [ a HOOT to shoot ].

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Then you should have got a Tac-14. I do like the loop on the Shockwave forend, Remington should have done that.

ROD KLOMP said:

The Remington only holds 4 + 1, the Mosberg Shockwave holds 5 + 1, plus you can use the mini shells in the Mosberg , but not the Remington.. .

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Is there something different in the Tac-14 than the regular 870 that prevents this? Ive used Mini-shells on my 870- you just have to be sure you work the action most vigorously, or the shell will flip on the carrier. I suspect OPSOL will have an adapter for the 870 in the near future.

I would use NSI 2&1/4" buck shot loads to get extra round into the mag tube. Sadly I do not have that option with 16ga HD gun.

Three months ago Texas had to pass a new law, HB 1819 85R, to allow the possession of the Shockwave and other similar firearms. Our pro 2nd Amendment governor signed it a few weeks later effective Sept 1, 2017. Easy explination of the new law can be found here:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/06/chris-heuss/texas-hb-1819-85r/
I attended a local gun show a few weeks ago and saw that a vendor had a Shockwave on the table. Price 525! That's 80$ over MSRP. Having priced them on line I knew they were being offered in the sub $400 range. I see this vendor at the majority of the shows I attend and they have a large assortment of NIB firearms usually at the same price or close to it as my LGS. They usually take up 10-12 tables and seem to do a fair amount of business. So the high price peaked my interest. Speaking with one of the salesman he begins telling me how the Shockwave is becoming a popular item and in a couple of months they probably will be pretty scarce and Mossberg won't be able to keep up with demand. I gave the guy a look and said well good luck with selling them at that price. I then asked how could he offer them for sale if the new law doesn't take effect for three months. Oh we can sell them you just can't take possession until September 1st. I then questioned him on how that works. We have a number you can call and make arrangements by either driving to our store (an 8 hour round trip) or we will send it to the FFL (an added expense) of your choice. WTH. Again, good luck with your sale.
LGS I have been dealing with for over twenty years got their first shipment of Shockwave's in two weeks ago. $370 + tax. I take possession September 1st.

I paid $429.00 plus sales tax and $5.00 call in for mine.

I thought I recalled the manual noting a 4+1 capacity, but I just tried, and it does hold 5+1.

I checked the manual, and it does have an "official" 5+1 capacity.

When I got mine, I got on "the list" at the LGS, as they were only getting about one per week.

I think it took about three weeks until I got the call that mine was in.