Exactly... hence the question as to the purpose. Is it going to be carried is it going to be a range toy does weight matter? What purpose is it going to serve.
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Exactly... hence the question as to the purpose. Is it going to be carried is it going to be a range toy does weight matter? What purpose is it going to serve.
I would say it serves the same purpose as 99 percent of all other ARs out there. Range toy mainly, possibly home defense if needed.
gunlover_06
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Yes mostly a range toy but would also serve in a home defense role also
gunlover_06
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And as I have a heavy barreled savage in 223 I wanted something in 9mm to accompany my XD pistol, no I have not shot the Savage yet either but will soon
greyling22
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I have a 9mm ar with the shockwave blade, and I have a cz scorpion carbine. I'm going to sell the ar. It's lighter and handier, and the ergonomics are better, but the buffer tube noise is overly bothersome, and the short lead 9mm rounds I am running don't like making the transition from Glock mag to chamber. Too much angle.
All that to say, on both guns there is significant recoil. On par with either of my ar's. Sure, it's no 308 recoil, but neither is it a 22. After 100 rounds with that shockwave blade, my shoulder is a little sore.
All that to say, on both guns there is significant recoil. On par with either of my ar's. Sure, it's no 308 recoil, but neither is it a 22. After 100 rounds with that shockwave blade, my shoulder is a little sore.
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I have the Sub-2000 and a CX4 and both are accurate and reliable. There is recoil, more than one might suspect from the tiny 9mm cartridge when fired from typical 9mm carbines. Don't expect nearly nonexistent .22LR recoil. This is possibly due to the massive bolt (these are blowback). That said, unless you're a centenarian who bruises easily, it's not a concern.
I can't get a cheek weld with my Keltec but it travels well. The Beretta Storm is my favorite of the two at the range.
I can't get a cheek weld with my Keltec but it travels well. The Beretta Storm is my favorite of the two at the range.
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The why?
Folks have different reasons. I use mine as a "trainer" for the real deal. Way cheaper and easier to reload for than .223, I can shoot it on ranges that don't allow .223, and it doesn't tear up my AR500 targets at CQB distances (unlike .223). get a 9mm AR and you have a great trainer for your HD AR. I've got a Colt 6954 that I set up like my LE6920:
Recoil is actually slightly higher with the 9mm due to the compensator I have on the .223 and the direct blow-back of the 9mm. This is great for working drills. Between this and my M&P 15-22 (also set up similar) I have an AR training "system" .22-9mm-.223.
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I just purchased a Just Right 3rd gen. 9mm carbine, and I really like it. Accurate, lots of AR parts- forearm, buttstock, trigger group, safety, buffer tube. It takes Glock mags and can easily be changed to left-side ejection. I changed out the standard AR trigger group which was "stagey" with a NiB coated group, and its real "slick" now. Before someone mentions problems with this carbine- that was 1st gen and mostly with .40 and .45. No problems with mine! Good luck with your treatments. Bill
gunlover_06
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God Bless you and may he help you with your illness. I am fighting Stage 4 Lung Cancer and it's a bitch. Good Luck to you!
Chuck R.
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Colt AR6951 (9mm of course):
Mapul grey furniture
Magpul BUIS
LaRue Tactical Cantlever CompM2 LT129 Mount w/Aimpoint Patrol Optic
SureFire X300 Light on a Mossie Tactics Midnight Mount
It looks remarkably similar to my AR in 5.56.
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9mm on AR frame, expensive, Hi Point 9mm....cheap...I got a .45 just for fun, neat gun, fun to shoot even in .45 recoil is nil.
modifiedbrowning
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I have a CZ Scorpion, lot's of fun.
I own a Colt AR in 9mm. It is a good rifle. What I would like to see is a quality 9mm carbine with the magazine in the pistol grip of the carbine, like the Keltec Sub 2K or the Beretta Storm. I have owned and did not like either the Keltc nor the Beretta. In the case of the Keltec, it felt cheap and was not very accurate. I didnt like the recoil impulse on it, nor did I like having to make a cheek weld with a metal tube. In the case of the Beretta, the trigger was terrible, absolutely the worst trigger i have felt on any gun any time. Additionally, the weird thumbole stock is not appealing to me on the Beretta. If Beretta would put a decent trigger on the Storm and a folding stock, it would have potential to be a nice carbine.
BSA1
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What about the UZI?
I suppose manufacturing of that gun ended long ago.
What I don't understand is why 9mm AR's cost so much more than AR's in rifle calibers? (Yes I understand the 9mm is a blowback which to me seems like it should be easier and cheaper to manufacture.)
Black Knight
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Since you have a porta-cath in your right shoulder may I suggest the Beretta CX4 Storm carbine. It is a 9mm carbine which can take Beretta 92 magazines. It also has the advantage that most of the controls can be switched from right to left with little trouble. When I took a Police Firearms Instructor's course at FLETC years ago I did a presentation on the CX4. The Chief Instructor/Trainer informed me after the presentation that he was now considering ordering some CX4s for the Center. BTW I hope your treatments go well. My wife had Hodgkins when we got married and used a porta-cath for her treatments.
I had a Beretta Storm, and while it was a good gun, it didn't fit me well, the trigger was poor for a pricey rifle, and it got traded or sold, don't remember which one. Worth too much to keep if you don't like it. I still have my Kel Tec. While the pull length is short, there isn't much of a stock, and it takes effort to get a good sight picture, it is portable, reliable, fairly accurate, and fun to shoot. Not worth a lot, might as well keep it. I love my AR in 9MM. I have never shot a Just Right Carbine, but it looks like a great option as well. Ruger and Marlin should bring back their 9MM carbines.
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Ditto 1911WB. I'm really enjoying my 3rd Gen Just Right Carbine. I bought the Glock magazine take down version. Really like the modular design; very easy to convert it to left-side eject, which sounds like it might be of particular value to you.
I wish Ruger would reintroduce the PC9 and PC4 carbines, but with Glock compatible magazine wells. I had a PC4 for a while and liked it, except for the fact that I had to run it with Ruger magazines. I think a LOT of people would be interested in the PCs if they took Glock mags.
I wish Ruger would reintroduce the PC9 and PC4 carbines, but with Glock compatible magazine wells. I had a PC4 for a while and liked it, except for the fact that I had to run it with Ruger magazines. I think a LOT of people would be interested in the PCs if they took Glock mags.
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gunlover_06
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Thank you Sir and hope she is doing better now bless you and her both
NIGHTLORD40K
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Love my Taurus Ct9....but then I guess I'm weird cuz I don't mind fabricating my own magazines.....love the challenge. But the recoil is comparable to a .223, probably has something to do with the reciprocal effect of the 2lb bolt- seriously, I weighed it. God bless you sir and best of luck with your treatment.
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gunlover, as a fellow colon cancer survivor I feel for ya ... although I didn't get the permenent port I've got a bag for the rest of my life ... when they went in the tumor in my colon had tenticles going both directions so the just took out everything from my small intestine down ... that was 2.5 years ago and I just got a new scan Friday so no results yet but I'm confident I'm clear.
As to 9mm carbines it seems like I've been collecting them ... I've had the full size uzi and at about 8 pounds it's just a beast to handle I've had an MP5 for about a decade and they're nice but my newest favorite is the Omega MP5 K clone with a shockwave ckeekpeice ... also put a steel end cap on it & tapped it for an ACE push button hinge to make it fold; it's really sweet. I've also got the Omega MP5 SD which is also very nice and they recently released a version with the K barrel & 3-lug suppressor mount so you can use your favorite 3-lug suppressor
I've got a Scorpion which is probably the best bang for your buck if you want the "HK slap", a Styer SPP, but to be a carbine it has to be SBR'd and stocks are really rare, expensive when you find them ... and they don't fold
I've got a Colt 9mm AR and lastly the lowly Cobray M11/9 ... mine are all SBR'd but with the exception of the SPP you can get with a 16" barrel or blind pin a barrel extension on
As to 9mm carbines it seems like I've been collecting them ... I've had the full size uzi and at about 8 pounds it's just a beast to handle I've had an MP5 for about a decade and they're nice but my newest favorite is the Omega MP5 K clone with a shockwave ckeekpeice ... also put a steel end cap on it & tapped it for an ACE push button hinge to make it fold; it's really sweet. I've also got the Omega MP5 SD which is also very nice and they recently released a version with the K barrel & 3-lug suppressor mount so you can use your favorite 3-lug suppressor
I've got a Scorpion which is probably the best bang for your buck if you want the "HK slap", a Styer SPP, but to be a carbine it has to be SBR'd and stocks are really rare, expensive when you find them ... and they don't fold
I've got a Colt 9mm AR and lastly the lowly Cobray M11/9 ... mine are all SBR'd but with the exception of the SPP you can get with a 16" barrel or blind pin a barrel extension on
gunlover_06
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Kimberkid,
Sir,
I'm glad you are doing good and hope the results from the scan comes back clear, my colon cancer was stage four and had spread to my liver. metastasized, I believe that's how they spell it anyway my last scan shows I am basically cancer free but have to do some type of treatment for the rest of my life or until I say enough is enough.
And thanks for the suggestion on carbines I still haven't figured out just yet on what route I will be going. but hope to decide soon but have some time cause got to try and save up the cash. Not much extra of that left over the last four years. God bless you and keep you he is wonderful and shows us his Grace and Mercy daily.
I've fired 3 9mm carbines, a friends Beretta CX4, I'm one of the minority that didn't care too much for it, I was expecting less recoil, but that was a while ago and I was pretty inexperienced, I might think more(or less) of them if I tried it again.
An MP5 clone, pretty smooth and fairly soft shooting, but I'm not sure whether or not I'd shoulder it in your situation.
An AUG with a 9mm kit, not too bad on recoil, but it felt like a bit more than the MP5.
The last two, especially the AUG, are dishearteningly expensive though. Good luck with your decision, and that dang treatment.
An MP5 clone, pretty smooth and fairly soft shooting, but I'm not sure whether or not I'd shoulder it in your situation.
An AUG with a 9mm kit, not too bad on recoil, but it felt like a bit more than the MP5.
The last two, especially the AUG, are dishearteningly expensive though. Good luck with your decision, and that dang treatment.
mstreddy
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9MM carbines are a lot of fun. They are a blast to shoot. Light recoil, cheap to feed and generally pretty accurate too.
As to which to get, there are a lot of choices and price ranges. A couple of friends own the Hi-Points and they are happy with them. I've shot them and they are OK. If you are looking from a price perspective, they are tough to beat.
Next would be the KelTec SU2000s. They are light, compact and relatively inexpensive. They used to come in a variety of models for the various mags out there, Glock and others. I've shot a couple of them, but I don't own one.
The Ruger PC9 mentioned above are no longer made, but if you can find one at a decent price, they are great little carbines. I own 2 of them. The second was a police trade-in that I found for under $200 a few years ago. The Ruger P89 mags are easy to find and relatively cheap.
The Beretta CX4 Storm is around the price of an AR. The trigger is not the best, but for me the ergonomics are pretty much on. I like the feel of it, and while it's not an AR, it's NOT an AR. Meaning, the ergonomics are different, the feel is different, but that all depends on what you like or don't. It uses (or can use) the 92/M9 mags which are plentiful and inexpensive.
MP5 and clones, are a lot of fun. But they are pricey compared to the AR9s and other carbines. I do own one. Unfortunately it's one of the Special Weapons examples.
UZI's and clones, can be fun, but can get pricey. The folding stock is uncomfortable in most uses and I wouldn't recommend it for you.
AR9 platforms. They are getting cheaper and there a lot of options out there. It's an AR which is good if you've ever worked with one. The mechanics and manual of arms are simple. They are accurate and fairly light. I own a Bushmaster (old gen) Carbon-15 model which is very light as it's a polymer upper and lower. I own the Just Right in .40 and have the conversion kit for 9.
I've also owned the Cobray Mac 11, but it was the pistol version and I sold it.
I've fired the CZ Scorpion pistol, but not the rifle. It shot well, but I would like to fire the carbine version.
I'd suggest you handle a couple of different ones and see how they feel to you. If you know anyone with them, try them out, take a few shots with it.
Good luck with your continued health.
As to which to get, there are a lot of choices and price ranges. A couple of friends own the Hi-Points and they are happy with them. I've shot them and they are OK. If you are looking from a price perspective, they are tough to beat.
Next would be the KelTec SU2000s. They are light, compact and relatively inexpensive. They used to come in a variety of models for the various mags out there, Glock and others. I've shot a couple of them, but I don't own one.
The Ruger PC9 mentioned above are no longer made, but if you can find one at a decent price, they are great little carbines. I own 2 of them. The second was a police trade-in that I found for under $200 a few years ago. The Ruger P89 mags are easy to find and relatively cheap.
The Beretta CX4 Storm is around the price of an AR. The trigger is not the best, but for me the ergonomics are pretty much on. I like the feel of it, and while it's not an AR, it's NOT an AR. Meaning, the ergonomics are different, the feel is different, but that all depends on what you like or don't. It uses (or can use) the 92/M9 mags which are plentiful and inexpensive.
MP5 and clones, are a lot of fun. But they are pricey compared to the AR9s and other carbines. I do own one. Unfortunately it's one of the Special Weapons examples.
UZI's and clones, can be fun, but can get pricey. The folding stock is uncomfortable in most uses and I wouldn't recommend it for you.
AR9 platforms. They are getting cheaper and there a lot of options out there. It's an AR which is good if you've ever worked with one. The mechanics and manual of arms are simple. They are accurate and fairly light. I own a Bushmaster (old gen) Carbon-15 model which is very light as it's a polymer upper and lower. I own the Just Right in .40 and have the conversion kit for 9.
I've also owned the Cobray Mac 11, but it was the pistol version and I sold it.
I've fired the CZ Scorpion pistol, but not the rifle. It shot well, but I would like to fire the carbine version.
I'd suggest you handle a couple of different ones and see how they feel to you. If you know anyone with them, try them out, take a few shots with it.
Good luck with your continued health.
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