MP40 Replica

Zamak (pot metal) frame. I don't think this would hold up too long firing 9 mm. Might be OK as a curio or wall hanger, but for that purpose, it's steep at $650.

I was looking forward to these, but the Zamak frame is not a good thing.

I read an article on them. Said the saftey was shod and it was a jamomatic

Not Interested!
I'll just stick with these! Bottom 4 are tube guns - my shooters, most built on matching parts sets and the new rec ser nr'd to match.
Top 5 are: an MP 38 (top) and 40, 41, 42 u. 43 dated original gunz. Anyone got a 44 or 45 dated to sell?
Sarge

Kind of disappointing they used Zamak in it's construction. Would have been interested in it (even at $650 retail), if they had built them out of steel like the originals.

Dr.Rob said:

The originals used a plastic/bakelite lower.

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This gun was discussed here some time back. I'm not positive what part is zamak (meaning if its a stressed part), but I'm pretty sure its not a stressed part in the sense that the "frame" of most guns is stressed. We have plastic lowers made for ARs, so Id not dismiss the zamak part out of hand. I'm surprised this new gun doesnt share at least magazines and some parts with originals. Seems no need to reinvent the wheel so to speak in every part, and not be useful parts in keeping originals up and running.

It was agonized over in the previous discussion about the plastic lower parts in this new gun, those bemoaning it apparently not being aware that the same parts were plastic/bakelite in the originals. So, rather than just jump on the bandwagon of "OMG Zamak!!!", I'll wait and see how they actually do in use.

Regarding the guns made from originals, how does one find an example of them, and whats the price range?

Malamute said:

Regarding the guns made from originals, how does one find an example of them, and whats the price range?

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They are referred to as "new tube" guns. They can occasionally be found on any of the gun for sale boards. They will most likely be a mismatchred ser nr gun as they were built using whatever parts that could be found. Occasionally with a matching parts set, like my guns. Prices are now close to the 10K range. But that is in comparison to 20K+ for an original.
Sarge

I bought a used Hi-Point 9mm carbine last week for $170. Today I shot a hundred rounds through it with no problems. I love historical things and antiques, too, but there are limits.

Thanks Sarge. Unfortunately that puts is far outside my realistic budget for what is essentially a fun gun.

So, Im interested to see how the new copy holds up after some use....Zamak and plastic parts. Criminy, next thing you know people will be making pistol frames out of plastic and expecting us to believe that would work out.

Not the least bit practical. Size wise, its almost the same as a folding stock AK, and not as practical, but, practical isnt its forte'. Looks fun, perhaps not quite as loud as a pistol in 9mm, and sbr'ed, perhaps usable (notice i didnt say "useful") for varmints around the yard. Maybe fair house gun for repelling boarders and not deafening yourself in the process.

Sarge said:

They are referred to as "new tube" guns. They can occasionally be found on any of the gun for sale boards. They will most likely be a mismatchred ser nr gun as they were built using whatever parts that could be found. Occasionally with a matching parts set, like my guns. Prices are now close to the 10K range. But that is in comparison to 20K+ for an original.
Sarge

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Wait, are you talking full auto, or semi-auto tube guns for that price range? I'm not interested in full auto at this point in life.

Malamute said:

Wait, are you talking full auto, or semi-auto tube guns for that price range? I'm not interested in full auto at this point in life.

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You Should Be! That IS where ALL the fun is at!!!
Don't think I've ever heard of a semi "tube gun."
Sarge

Select fire is out of reach for most working stiffs like me, so we just live vicariously through others. I remember when a new MAC-10 was $400, and that included the transfer tax stamp. I was unable to buy one at that time.

My first MAC 10 (9mm) was $100, the suppressor was either $50 or 75, don't remember which. I still have them.
That was in Dez 1979. At that time I had just recently gotten my Class 3 dealers lisc and these were the first items I bought.
Sarge

Yeah, '79 I was underage still by a year or three. The Hughes Amendment went into effect at exactly the wrong time for me.

armoredman said:

Select fire is out of reach for most working stiffs like me, so we just live vicariously through others. I remember when a new MAC-10 was $400, and that included the transfer tax stamp. I was unable to buy one at that time.

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I'm the definition of a working stiff and I have a M10/45. I bought it in 2012 and the going rate has basically doubled since then. When buying transferable machineguns there is no time like the present, they will always be more expensive later. I sold a handful of Title I guns to fund the purchase and I am very glad I did. I have noticed that I spend a lot more time watching others shoot it than I do shooting it myself, but that is its own enjoyment.

I'd very much like to get an Uzi and a M16, but barring winning the lottery (which I don't play) or inheriting money I likely never will. They are just priced too high these days. If I had waited on buying the M10/45 I would have been priced out of that market as well.

Lots of YouTube videos of the 9mm ATIs jamming in various ways. Saw a used example of one their STG44 .22 replicas at a LGS recently, there was significant zinc oxide corrosion in several spots, including the magazine well which made removal/insertion difficult. The Germans love their Zamak, (RG, Windicator, etc...), but, for me, it's a deal breaker.

That's not too bad a price just cause I need it to be next to the potato masher replica I purchased from Sarco (I use it as a potato masher, really I'm serious).

I love old military guns... had a C&R license in the 90's (golden age of C&R) so I could order them direct.

My friend has a semi-auto Thompson (Tommy) gun in .45 (of course). It is a beautiful weapon with a lot of weight... but shooting what was designed to be a full auto in semi auto gets boring pretty quick. I would love a MP40... even if it were semi auto, but I question how much I would actually shoot it? Not being able to have the wire stock without a SBR tax stamp is also a big bummer for a semi-auto MP40!

My circa WWII semi auto battle riffles (Garand, M1 Carbine, SVT 40, Mas 49/56, FN49, AG/42 Ljungman, Hakkim, etc) are shot frequently and I really enjoy shooting them a lot more than my friends Thompson. Being able to feel how a gun was designed to shoot is a big part of the thrill for me I guess.

Same friend has a 30-40 Krag that I both covet and love shooting! Even though it is just a bolt gun the action on that Krag is beautiful!

When I went to work for a PD, they had a beautiful MP 40 and as nice a Thompson. The Chief traded them for two AR-15s not long after I joined. I still haven't forgiven him 50 some years later.

MikeInOr

Same friend has a 30-40 Krag that I both covet and love shooting! Even though it is just a bolt gun the action on that Krag is beautiful!

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Yes, it is!

Iggy said:

When I went to work for a PD, they had a beautiful MP 40 and as nice a Thompson. The Chief traded them for two AR-15s not long after I joined. I still haven't forgiven him 50 some years later.

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I think an actual Thompson would be about the only submachine gun I'd be interested in