New NRA ad gives liberals panic attacks

LiveLife · Jul 19, 2017

toiville2feathers · Jul 20, 2017

Just what the RKBA don't need! No wonder why the antis call us crazy . This is more adopt the NRA raising money, than protecting the RKBA.
Just saying.

Jason_W · Jul 20, 2017

I don't agree with the left's stance on gun control, but I refuse to demonize my fellow citizens. They're people just like me who by and large want the same basic things (family, friends, a comfortable place to live etc.).

Yes, I know that groups of college kids have gotten into fights and vandalized stuff on college campuses, but that's because college aged kids are by nature a-holes. That's not a new thing. I should know. If I went back in time and met my 21 year old self, I'd want to give him a smack in his big, fat, know-it-all mouth.

And in any case, the campus unrest is cute in comparison to what happened on campuses in the 60's and early 70's.

So, yes, I believe in the second amendment, but resent fear mongering, making mountains out of mole hills, and demonization of other human beings.

Walkalong · Jul 20, 2017

toiville2feathers said:
Just what the RKBA don't need! No wonder why the antis call us crazy . This is more adopt the NRA raising money, than protecting the RKBA.
Just saying.

Whether one believes that or not, we are in a war for our country. Pick a side and fight, but please don't be naive enough to think everything is peachy.

Jason_W said:
I refuse to demonize my fellow citizens. They're people just like me who by and large want the same basic things (family, friends, a comfortable place to live etc.).

Refuse to speak badly of criminals? Why? I support their right to disagree and fight peacefully for their cause, but when they fight, riot, burn, destroy, they are nothing but criminals that should be in jail

Jason_W · Jul 20, 2017

Walkalong said:
Refuse to speak badly of criminals? Why? I support their right to disagree and fight peacefully for their cause, but when they fight, riot, burn, destroy, they are nothing but criminals that should be in jail

I agree. I never said people who commit the above acts shouldn't be apprehended and prosecuted, regardless of the ideology behind those acts.

I was talking about not demonizing law abiding citizens simply because their politics don't 100 percent line up with my own.

Walkalong · Jul 20, 2017

Jason_W said:
I was talking about not demonizing law abiding citizens simply because their politics don't 100 percent line up with my own.

I agree 100%.

browningguy · Jul 20, 2017

I'm pretty socially liberal myself, I really don't understand why everyone seems to want to treat them like criminals simply because they have different beliefs. I probably own more guns than most, but that doesn't make me care if gay people want to get married, what in the world does that have to do with me?

toiville2feathers · Jul 20, 2017

Picking a side and fighting is part of the problem. If someone don't agree with or has a different idea then the answer is fight. That's what people who are short and poorly articulate act because they don't have the skills to negotiate or lead.
And I don't believe that we are or have to fight for the life of our country. It's one of the best places in the world to live and we are still great, not again.
I am the same age as President Trump and All though I was a young boy, I remember when Nikita Kruchev was visiting and was in Iowa visiting a hog farm and he said " The USSR will take over the U.S.A in the future with out firing a shot." He was very sincere with tha threat. Today I assume President Trump is unaware or forgot it , but in my opinion he seems eager to help it along.
It is important that we learn how to quite being so partisan and govern from both sides of the isle.

Deanimator · Jul 20, 2017

We're not talking about "disagreements". We're talking about organized political terrorism and a movement to render law abiding citizens disarmed, helpless serfs.

I "demonize" the Klan.
I "demonize" neo-Nazis.
I "demonize" MS-13.

There's absolutely NO reason for me NOT to "demonize" the modern brownshirts in the "antifa" movement and anti-gun cultists who wish to forcibly impose racially invidious gun controls.

Jason_W · Jul 20, 2017

I have to wonder what the point of the ads in the OP was as they seem to do nothing but pander to an existing base and preach to the choir. They're more likely to push people who don't have strong feeling one way or the other about the second amendment over to the ant-gun side as opposed to the pro gun.

What was to be gained from inflammatory propaganda that only people who are already rabidly right wing can relate to? No matter what one's opinion of the NRA is, they are not a foolish organization. There has to be an end game here.

Walkalong · Jul 20, 2017

browningguy said:
I'm pretty socially liberal myself, I really don't understand why everyone seems to want to treat them like criminals simply because they have different beliefs.

I am a live and let live kind of fellow, but when people riot, burn, incite violence, etc, etc, they have crossed the line in a civil society and belong in jail. I don't have any desire to treat people like criminals for believing differently than I do, I want to treat criminal behaviour as criminal. They are pandered. even encouraged, to by the same folks who want to disarm you. They tried real hard not long ago in Congress, they simply failed this time. The anti politicians haven't gone away, and will do it next time if they have the votes. Like Feinstien said, If I could say turn them all in........

wally · Jul 20, 2017

I don't agree with the left's stance on gun control, but I refuse to demonize my fellow citizens. They're people just like me who by and large want the same basic things (family, friends, a comfortable place to live etc.).

You seem to be ignoring the fact that they've already demonized us!

Jason_W · Jul 20, 2017

wally said:
You seem to be ignoring the fact that they've already demonized us!

Well, someone has to be the better person. Break the cycle.

LiveLife · Jul 20, 2017

browningguy said:
I'm pretty socially liberal myself, I really don't understand why everyone seems to want to treat them like criminals simply because they have different beliefs. I probably own more guns than most, but that doesn't make me care if gay people want to get married, what in the world does that have to do with me?

Bingo!

USA is a Constitutional Republic where the will of the majority cannot be imposed on the minority. In a pure democracy, will of the majority can be imposed on the minority, hence why the founding fathers created a constitutional republic.

I consider gun owners of this country to be the minority of the population and the growing majority with some of them with increasing fervor is trying to impose their will on the gun owners and the US Constitution prohibits this.

This is rights issue.

And NRA is defending our right to keep and bear arms.

Jason_W · Jul 20, 2017

Walkalong said:
I am a live and let live kind of fellow, but when people riot, burn, incite violence, etc, etc, they have crossed the line in a civil society and belong in jail. I don't have any desire to treat people like criminals for believing differently than I do, I want to treat criminal behaviour as criminal. They are pandered. even encouraged, to by the same folks who want to disarm you. They tried real hard not long ago in Congress, they simply failed this time. The anti politicians haven't gone away, and will do it next time if they have the votes. Like Feinstien said, If I could say turn them all in........

Last summer here in Sacramento the we're fights that broke during a demonstration between white supremacists and antifas. Arrests were made on both sides and some of the court dates were this week.

Law enforcement does typically try to arrest people who cross into illegal territory during protests. Can't catch the all.

roscoe · Jul 21, 2017

We need to be converting folks, not getting their hackles up. Work smarter, not harder.

cjwils · Jul 21, 2017

The NRA ad at the top of this thread is way out of line and counter productive. That's my opinion.

rskent · Jul 21, 2017

cjwils said:
The NRA ad at the top of this thread is way out of line and counter productive. That's my opinion.

What part of the add is untrue? Just asking.

Kendal Black · Jul 21, 2017

I watched the first couple. I thought them a bit tone deaf. Ridicule is a much more potent weapon than outrage, especially in this era of fake outrage.

DoubleMag · Jul 21, 2017

Oh, the NRA adds are just responding to...not the cause of...what the Left is promoting. I'm sure the NRA would just be happy happy to put out ads like, did you know your GrandPa was a NRA member? BoyScouts are Us. Have you rode your bike down to the creek and shot a brick of 22's at the ol' tin can, lately.
Try taking THR on hard, EXTREMISTS groups rioting in the streets...to promote via force their narrow perspective(s). Is an effective response a march with lots of rose petals fluttering through the air and all we are saying is give peace a chance banners? Grab your tambourine and have at it :neener:

The NRA ads are THR in response to EXTREMISTS hard leftist views and activities rioting etc.

Snejdarek · Jul 21, 2017

The THEM-US divide in US is just getting completely crazy.

Walkalong · Jul 21, 2017

Yes, but that is the reality of life, human nature, and differing opinions. It has happened countless times in many societies/counties over thousands of years. It is our turn unfortunately. If we had 75% of one side all would be well, or vice versa. You may not like one or the other, but the majority would be happy, and the minority couldn't out vote them. That is not where we are. Our children have been taught that guns are evil and government involvement is the only way for life to be "fair" for too long and it is paying dividends for them.

I listened to a young lady on the news the other day who thought people shouldn't get Social Security just because they got old (Regardless of the fact they had paid into it (force-ably) all their working lives), and in the same breath thought that the government (Those same old taxpayers that have been paying into Social Security for their future) should be forced to pay for her college.

Well, maybe the country doesn't need another college graduate with a basket weaving degree. Some countries that pay college tuition with taxpayers money will only do so if the person takes courses in a profession that is in need of workers, is useful to society, and the person has to maintain grades.

For those new to the anti gun fight, I appreciate and even envy the naivete a bit, but the core enemies of guns and freedom are a viscous lot, determined to disarm and rule you. They don't want compromise, they won't fight fair (Lie to the public every chance they get), and they won't quit. Many of us who have been fighting the pro gun fight for decades have drawn our line in the sand. No more compromise.

Crawdad1 · Jul 21, 2017

Its not about differing of opinions its about the fact that they'll use any means necessary to win their point of view.

The NRA is just pointing this tactic out and I say, its about time.

fpgt72 · Jul 21, 2017

Walkalong said:
Yes, but that is the reality of life, human nature, and differing opinions. It has happened countless times in many societies/counties over thousands of years. It is our turn unfortunately. If we had 75% of one side all would be well, or vice versa. You may not like one or the other, but the majority would be happy, and the minority couldn't out vote them. That is not where we are. Our children have been taught that guns are evil and government involvement is the only way for life to be "fair" for too long and it is paying dividends for them.

I listened to a young lady on the news the other day who thought people shouldn't get Social Security just because they got old (Regardless of the fact they had paid into it (force-ably) all their working lives), and in the same breath thought that the government (Those same old taxpayers that have been paying into Social Security for their future) should be forced to pay for her college.

Well, maybe the country doesn't need another college graduate with a basket weaving degree. Some countries that pay college tuition with taxpayers money will only do so if the person takes courses in a profession that is in need of workers, is useful to society, and the person has to maintain grades.

For those new to the anti gun fight, I appreciate and even envy the naivete a bit, but the core enemies of guns and freedom are a viscous lot, determined to disarm and rule you. They don't want compromise, they won't fight fair (Lie to the public every chance they get), and they won't quit. Many of us who have been fighting the pro gun fight for decades have drawn our line in the sand. No more compromise.

I have no illusion that "our" side is going to lose....no doubt in my mind at all..... I just hope I am not around to see it.

papaairbear · Jul 21, 2017

fpgt72 said:
I have no illusion that "our" side is going to lose....no doubt in my mind at all..... I just hope I am not around to see it.

And this comment begs the question "Are you doing anything to help, then.?" Do you belong to the NRA? or the Second Amendment Foundation? Or some other entity carrying this fight to the people and the courts? If you are an Amazon Smile member, you can designate a charity to receive a .5% donation for everything you buy. Here's the link:
https://org.amazon.com/

You can designate the Second Amendment Foundation as your selected charity.

It's an old saying, but it's appropriate here: "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem."

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