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For CZ75 experts, I am looking at a CZ75B. I know the 75BD has a de-cocker but the B model does not so do you lower the hammer on a live round if you don't want to carry it cocked and locked. I am assuming you do since it's a SA/DA gun. Can the safety only be engaged if it is cocked and lock I know they have a firing pin safety?
 
The safety can only be engaged if the weapon is cocked. When I carried my CZ I made sure my hands and the hammer were dry before lowering it but once you become familiar with it it's not that big a deal.

If you're really concerned you can put a small screw driver through the hammer eye and use it for a T handle
 
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I was more wanting to make sure I understood than I was concerned. Do you like yours. Also what all of their mags fit the 75B?
 
ozarkhillbilly said:
I was more wanting to make sure I understood than I was concerned. Do you like yours. Also what all of their mags fit the 75B?
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CZ is a really good pistol. Very accurate and very well made. Given the magazines are the same size they'll fit, you can't put a RAMI or a PCR magazine in a 75b but you can put a 75 magazine in either of those guns.

I'm with BigBL87 on the Mec Gar magazines. They are the best available
 
Yes, the CZ-75B does not have a decocker, nor does it need one.

Learn how to decock the pistol and don't rely on the crutch known as a decocker that was shoehorned into the BD model.

The CZ-75 was designed with a safety and the ability to be carried cocked and locked in mind. This is how Cooper advocated carrying them. Just read the manual ad learn to manually decock without having to trust an overly complicated decocker mechanism. Real CZ experts dislike the BD model, for good reasons.
 
I'd like to "third" the recommendation for 16-round Mec Gar mags, which can be reliably found for $19/ea various places online. Those mags are the very best, better than the OEM mag(s) supplied with the gun, in fact.

If you don't want to carry cocked and locked, I recommend buying either the 75 BD you mentioned, or a 75 D (aka "PCR"), which is a compact model with alloy frame. Both have a decocker, which I love on my PCR. (Liking the convenience and safety of decockers doesn't disqualify one from being a "real CZ expert", by the way.)

You're right that the 75 B and the 75 C (compact, but steel frame) both have traditional safeties, which allow you to carry cocked and locked. However, since it sounds like you would prefer to carry in Condition 2 (round chambered, hammer down), yes, you will have to slowly lower the hammer down onto a live round after you load the pistol. (This is as safe as it sounds.) I always grab the hammer between my fingers, with one finger sort of in the way between the hammer and firing pin to make sure I don't slip and drop the hammer! :eek: Note that the CZ 75 also has a half-cocked position that allows you to (more or less) get the best of both worlds. This is the state the guns I have stashed in my house are in.
 
If your preference is to always have the hammer down, which means the first pull of the trigger cocks the hammer, the CZ version of a decocker is very nice to use.

Some decockers drop the hammer as hard and loudly as dry firing the gun. Those guns are safe, as the intermediate firing pin rotates out of the way and the firing pin block is also preventing the firing pin from going forward.

However, the CZ version lowers the hammer in a two move "click-click". Move the decocker down for one click, and move it back up for the second click and finishing move. If you move it slowly, which you can't do on say a Beretta slide safety/decocker, the CZ decocker is as quiet as sweeping off a safety lever.

Plus, the CZ decocker puts the hammer at a notch above being fully down. It's like a half cock, but if measured at maybe 1/4. What nice about that is #1, the hammer is not on the firing pin and #2, the trigger take up to the first shot is reduced a little bit in double action.

I think the CZ decocker is a great decocker for the shooter that wants to use one.
 
I carry my manual safety CZs at the half cock. That's where your decocker models put it anyways. I've never like the CZ safety as much as a 1911 safety and find it harder to manipulate at speed. The half cock notch allows for a shorter trigger pull than the full double action, but still gives the safety on not being at the single action stage.

Putting the CZ at half cock is easy once you know the trick. With the gun in single action mode, stick your shooting hand thumb on top of the hammer, rolled slightly forward so that part of your thumb is between the hammer and the slide. Pull the trigger just enough so that your feel the hammer complete it's cycle and start forward. This should be just a smidgen of movement and is more felt as pressure by the hammer on your thumb than anything else. Now, let go of the trigger. This will reactivate the firing pin block so that if you mess up, the gun won't go off. The hammer should be resting on your thumb. Allow your thumb to ease the hammer forward until it catches on the half cock. It sounds sort of complicated, but once you do it a few times it's super easy and intuitive to do one handed.

Cooldill said:
Learn how to decock the pistol and don't rely on the crutch known as a decocker that was shoehorned into the BD model.
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Decocker makes IPDA much better with a -75.
 
As someone who has RO'ed several thousand USPSA shooters, a great many of whom were shooting CZ's and Tanfoglios in Production division (which requires a "down" hammer), I can certainly say that a great many people seem to be able to fairly quickly and easily lower the hammer on a live round without AD/ND'ing. It takes some care, but it seems to be something that large numbers of people can learn to do with great reliability and, with practice, with unconscious competence. If I wanted to enjoy the benefits of a manual safety, I wouldn't let concern over learning to lower the hammer manually deter me.
 
I can say for sure the Omega can engage the safety at half cock, which is just off the firing pin, effectively hammer down. Requires the long and heavy trigger pull to fire, and the hammer looks like its all the way down. Not sure about the original trigger though.
 
I lower the hammer on my similar pistols frequently and have never had a problem. It's not complicated or difficult.

My CZ75 Tanfoglio clone is my favorite service pistol out of many. CZ75's are fabulous pistols. You won't be disappointed.
 
chicharrones said:
I think the CZ decocker is a great decocker for the shooter that wants to use one.
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I agree. If you want a pistol configured to be da/sa and that's your format of choice, having a decocker is a good idea. Lots of other fine pistols employ decockers, including HK, Beretta, older Smith & Wessons, some Rugers and most SIGs.
 
Tallball said:
I lower the hammer on my similar pistols frequently and have never had a problem. It's not complicated or difficult.
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I have a de-cocker also, that is similar to yours. It's called my thumb, and it has worked safely and efficiently for several decades. I don't see the need for de-cockers, but it seems some younger people do. I think it must be a generational thing. My CZ PCR has a de-cocker, but I'd rather it have a safety like my three other CZ pistols.
 
I have two 75 series guns with decockers, two 75 series guns and a 97B with safeties. Used to have other guns with safeties and others with decockers. IME, the decockers will spoil you as they are an instant, fool-proof, don't-even-need-to-pay-attention way of decocking. That said, I have no issue with decocking a safety gun. However, for concealed carry I go with the decocker (a PCR) because of the quick and fool-proof aspect. If I were a cocked-and-locked guy I'd feel differently. But I'm a DA first round unless there's time to cock.
 
I6turbo said:
I have two 75 series guns with decockers, two 75 series guns and a 97B with safeties. Used to have other guns with safeties and others with decockers. IME, the decockers will spoil you as they are an instant, fool-proof, don't-even-need-to-pay-attention way of decocking. That said, I have no issue with decocking a safety gun. However, for concealed carry I go with the decocker (a PCR) because of the quick and fool-proof aspect. If I were a cocked-and-locked guy I'd feel differently. But I'm a DA first round unless there's time to cock.
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Is it safe to reholster this cocked and locked? I think I'm done with DA/SA's, but the CZ's seem quite nice. Can I set down, a cocked and locked CZ with the safety on, in 3 gun?

Also, do the target models have nicer triggers? I borrowed a coupe CZ's and they shot excellent, but both had the target hammers (trapezoid, not round). This model IIRC:
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Cooldill said:
Yes, the CZ-75B does not have a decocker, nor does it need one.

Learn how to decock the pistol and don't rely on the crutch known as a decocker that was shoehorned into the BD model.

The CZ-75 was designed with a safety and the ability to be carried cocked and locked in mind. This is how Cooper advocated carrying them. Just read the manual ad learn to manually decock without having to trust an overly complicated decocker mechanism. Real CZ experts dislike the BD model, for good reasons.
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Disagree.

A decocker is preferable to a safety when it comes to carrying a firearm, eliminating the need to disengage the safety in the event of a self-defense emergency.

It also eliminates the possibility of a ND when lowering the hammer on the loaded chamber of a safety equipped pistol.
 
jdc1244 said:
Disagree.

A decocker is preferable to a safety when it comes to carrying a firearm, eliminating the need to disengage the safety in the event of a self-defense emergency.

It also eliminates the possibility of a ND when lowering the hammer on the loaded chamber of a safety equipped pistol.
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The "possibility" of an ND when manually decocking a 75 is virtually nil when PROPER procedures are followed. When your decocker fails you and a round goes into the floor, who can you blame then? With a proper manual decock operation, you can blame only yourself. It's about manning up and accepting responsibilities in handling your firearm instead of relying on something mechanical that can and will break thanks to Murphy.

And as for needing to disengage a safety, ever hear of anyone named Cooper? As in JEFF Cooper and the M1911?? No explanation is necessary. Some get it, some do not.

YMMV.
 
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When your decocker fails you and a round goes into the floor, who can you blame then?
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I can't say that I've heard of a decocker failing where an negligent discharge happens.

The CZ decocker holds the hammer back on the downward stroke and lowers the hammer down to half cock on the upward stroke. All at the speed you choose to use with your thumb on the decocker. Slow or fast.

Most importantly, the use of the decocker never requires a finger to be on the trigger, which means that the firing pin block is never being pushed out of the way of the firing pin when using a CZ decocker. Same goes for all the other decockers that I personally know of.

A good decocker removes the human element of having to touch the trigger to decock a gun.

So, if a decocker failed, dropping the hammer as if dry fired, and the gun in question has a firing pin block the gun still won't fire since the trigger wasn't touched during the decock.

Having said all of that, I manually decock guns frequently. Revolvers are easier for me as the hammer is actually in an ergonomic position. Auto loader hammers are further back and in a position which caused me to shift my grip, whether to cock or decock. 1911s cause me a whole 'nother issue as I shift my grip to decock, my hand shifts off the grip safety which then won't let me pull the trigger to perform that decock. This is all one handed, of course.
 
bAkron said:
My mileage does vary. I'm left handed, so carrying a cocked and locked CZ 75B would be pretty clumsy for me if I actually needed to disengage the safety. PCR for me.
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Yes, but there's the 75B SA, the 75B Stainless, the 85B and the 85 Combat (... although I think the 85 Combat is no longer being imported to the U.S.) These models all have ambidextros safeties, as do the P-09, and P-07.
 
I have a couple CZ's both with decocker (75 BD and P01) and no decocker with ambi safety (85 Combat) and right handed shooter safety (75 B) and I shoot primarily lefty,. So far I have never had a problem with manually decocking Any firearm or using a decocker model and that includes non- CZ weapons, S&W 6906, Makarovs, FEG SMC, and Walther PPKS (i think), have not shot the Walther in a while. I cary my 75 B's at the half cock. First round is double action and then a smooth transition into single action. I like the option of cocked and locked but don't carry that way.
 
It's not difficult to manually decock a DA/SA gun with a manual safety. That said, I prefer the decocker as I don't want to have to disengage a safety if/when the SHTF. I have had no issues with them, and their decockers are safe. They are great guns. You can get 15, 16, 17 round flush fit mags, and 19 round mags with an extended rubber butt plate. Great call on which pistol to buy. If it's for range use and home defense, I'd go full sized (CZ 75 or SP-01). If it's for carry, I'd go compact (P-01, P-07, P-10C) or subcompact (RAMI).
 
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