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Welcome to this club of very discerning gentlemen pistoliers of this very interesting yet complicated piece of engineering.
Some folks will no doubt come along to comment, I believe Col. Le Mat is the man to answer your questions. He kindly offered to take a look at my Cavalry model to maybe lighten the main spring cocking effort, while at the same time ensure there is enough force to whack the shotgun cap.
I had the crazy idea to get 2 LeMats for CAS style points. I even worked out every day cocking the trigger with each hand and thumb without assistance until I felt I could do it with ease. They are fun and are like money in the bank. I have gotten decent pawn shop loans on mine a couple of times. I assume your mould is from Pedersoli. What size bullet does it make? My LeMat Pietta box says they take a .451 bullet.
As far as the loading lever issue, you can simply unscrew the barrel assembly, take off the cylinder and load on a cylinder press or get yourself a steel tube with an I.D. that fits over the ram handle, after taking off the ramrod. That way at least you will minimize the bending moment on the ram tube.
As far as stocks, you probably have seen LionRobe77's posts. My ideas are a little different. I am thinking about a wire stock affair hooking into a steel or aluminum block attached via machine screws into holes tapped into the lower portion of the back of the grip. Ill find a pic of what I am talking about.
ps If you need a cheap strong side right belt holster or left side cross draw holster check out the Triple K Walker holster from Cabela's. It is a little long, but you can always cut the closed toe off the holster for an open look. I wear mine in a D.I.Y. shoulder rig.
 
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Good evening and Welcome!
I was right on the verge of selling my cased LeMat to buy a Colt Dragoon but sanity prevailed. The Colt can be found when the time is ripe but own a LeMat and you've got something. I've had no trouble cocking this massive revolver one handed but as ElHombre did, I had to practice to do it repeatedly when firing a full cylinder off. I must have gotten lucky with the loading lever as it works as it should when reloading. When firing the gun tho', I take the ram out and put it away in a pocket. Enjoy your new revolver and if you decide to wear it on your belt, ensure that your belt is as heavy duty as your holster will need to be.
regards!
 
Well said Painless
I must say the spectacle of myself brandishing a Le Mat in each hand has some appeal, but I'm not sure how their rules apply to such a revolver. I think you might still be limited to 5 shots in each revolver per stage Quien sabe?

Although I have been thinking about ordering a Denix replica LeMat just to see if the plastic grips fit the Pietta and perhaps paint them an ivory color to fake some fancy checkered ivory grips.
 
Good Morning, ElHombre,
Sir, the Denix replica is slightly oversized and the plastic of the grips, while thick, is brittle. While waiting for my own replica to arrive some time ago, I read up on cosplayers' work with the replica to turn it into a fictional revolver used by the Captain of a ship on a popular Sci-Fi series. Their attempts to use spare wooden grips from the real Lemat on the Denix model formed a central thread of the difficulties involved in working with the replica. Your money and time might be better served with a spare set of wooden grips that have been sealed then stained ivory using one of the modern tinned stains that incorporate a primer in the mix.
with all regards!
 
Thanks for the Welcome! I had noticed references to Col LeMat doing some tuning on these and would like to see if he'd consider working on mine. Is the best way to PM through the forum?

The problem I've experienced with the loading lever isn't the lever itself so much as the ram plunger. It won't travel straight inline with the chamber and wants to go cockeyed once it contacts the ball. I started with .451 RB and did get a "partial" ring of lead. The force didn't seem too bad, so I may try out a .454 to see if I get a tighter fit. I have made an inquiry with one of the cylinder loading ram tool vendors to see if it can work with the LeMat. I'm a bit of a purist, so I'd prefer to do this with the original style rammer if I can get the plunger to run parallel to the chambers! Any suggestions or thoughts on that one? I'll ask The Colonel on that as well.

I haven't cast any ball in the mold yet so don't know what size it throws. I'll try it next casting session.

I was intrigued by the potential of the Pedersoli Howdah shoulder stock. The contours look about right. ElHombre, I was curious whether you had looked into this stock any further after your comments on LionRobe77's posts. From your post to my initial inquiry it sounds like you've passed that idea in favor of the skeleton type. That's cool too, but I'm liking the wood stock idea. If anyone has actually been able to "dry fit" a LeMat up to the Howdah stock, I'd like to know the results. With a little work it could be a winner......

Yesterday, after posting here, I sat down with my pistol to clean after my first outing just on Saturday. I must say I was pretty pleased overall with the first go-around. It was'nt a long session as I'd have preferred but with the temp over 100 where I was, I didn't stay too long. The biggest problem I ran into was that with my last round, the hand spring must've snapped. I packed up and came home only to find the cylinder jammed when I took it out to clean! It looks like Taylors or VTI will be the only choices as far as that part goes. Any recommendations on who may have the part? I've sent inquiries and am waiting for their replies.

That'll do for now. Any tips and suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks All!

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As you may have noticed LionRobe77 posted pics of a Schofield 44 with a howdah stock attached, which appears to have similar contours to the Le Mat, but it appears that the hammer will interfere with the top of the stock attachment at full clock, plus the stock is a very short length of pull, possibly putting your face too close to the caps being fired. With a wire stock you can make it as long as you wish and adjust up and down. Somewhere I had a link to a pic of the gun wall in the train on the Wild Wild West movie that had a Le Mat with an omni directionally adjustable shoulder stock...very steam punk. http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Wild_Wild_West
 
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EH,
Thanks for the note. I know what you mean about the LOP on the howdah stock. I also noticed on closer inspection that is doesn't have a butt plate! No good!!!

My first priority is to get it tuned up and functioning nicely. I had a pm from the Col., who is willing to do the work on my pistol. Once that is done I can start thinking about accessories such as shoulder stock. As they say, first things first.

Thanks again and I'll stay in touch.
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Gary ;
When we hook up I will pass on to you my idea for a detachable shoulder stock along the lines of that of Mr. Colts on his .44 Army model. I never got around to fabricating one for a prototype and have since lost interest in the project.
COL J.F.A. LeMat
 
Back in action!

Greetings all,

My pistol is back and now in proper working order! The good Col. went through and did a thorough job of putting the action right, lightening the mainspring and coning the nipples. I can now cock it one-handed!! One of the tricks he showed me was the slight coning of the nipples. He had me fire off a cap to show me that it is now functioning as it should. I am One Happy LeMat owner!

When completed, as I live within a reasonable driving distance, the Col. invited me to pick up my pistol in person. It was a great opportunity to have him show me all that he did with it and to see how the replicas differ from the originals. WOW! I handled a true first model as well as transitionals and a London. What a rush!

The Col. has quite a history with these pistols and knows a h**l of a lot about the history behind them as well as their mechanical workings. I can't thank him enough for helping me out with my pistol. Without his help I may have given up on it as an historical curiosity and either shoved in into the safe as an occasional shooter or sold it off. Now it'll be a Pleasure to shoot.

It's funny, I had originally thought of the shoulder stock as a way to make it easier for cocking, but now with it working properly the idea of the stock is not as much of a priority. Maybe I'll look into it later. Right now I'm going to put together the proper accessories and look into having a case made for it.

I wonder how many of the "former" LeMat owners that sold theirs off in frustration would have changed their minds if they had a properly functioning pistol.....food for thought. Anyway, when temperatures start cooling off I'll be taking out my pistol do do some serious shooting. That's about it for now. I wanted to let all know that there's hope for LeMat owners.
All the best,
Garret
 
Garret,
We are lucky to have the Colonel around to call upon when issues arise with our favorite revolver. ;o) Congrats on getting yours set up so that you can now experience the real pleasure that comes out of a fun shooting session with the amazing LeMat!
regards!
 
Thanks Painless! I'll be looking forward to it, for certain. Now I want to secure some more Remington #10 caps. All the local sources I can drive to only carry CCI. I have at least one tin of Rem., and it looks like this will be the best for it, as the good Col. pointed out. I found Jedediah Smith shop has them online for a good price. I just hate having to buy 1,000 at a shot. Oh well, that quantity makes sense as I'll have to pay the blasted hazard fee! Does anyone here have another source for these they'd care to share? I'll probably order up from Jed Smith....

I went a bit overboard looking for accessories....found someone selling a used but nice Dixon bag flask made for the 2nd generation Colt London Navy. Only issue with it is no spout. I think I can swing adapting one. As I'm going to have an English type case made for it I wanted an English flask.

The fun begins.
 
Thank you Cooldill for bringing to my attention this thread was locked. Opened for business now.
Very cool! Hopefully I'll have my own Lemat soon to join the club. :)

Hey Lemat people, how do you go about loading your Lemats? Do you use the onboard loading lever, or use a loading stand?
 
Good morning,
I use the loading lever. Remember to always have your shotgun barrel rammer in the loading lever while loading and you'll never have a problem with it. Use the right size lead balls as well. I use a.432 in mine and it shaves the small ring of lead each time. Check out the Duelist Den Youtube videos on the LeMat. That's where I learned to use Tow fiber as wadding to load the shotgun barrel.
regards and enjoy that LeMat!

P.S. Because it's a 9 round cylinder, some folks use a loading stand. I'm in no hurry when loading mine but I can definitely see how a stand would be useful so it's down to individual preference.
 
Good morning,
I use the loading lever. Remember to always have your shotgun barrel rammer in the loading lever while loading and you'll never have a problem with it. Use the right size lead balls as well. I use a.432 in mine and it shaves the small ring of lead each time. Check out the Duelist Den Youtube videos on the LeMat. That's where I learned to use Tow fiber as wadding to load the shotgun barrel.
regards and enjoy that LeMat!

P.S. Because it's a 9 round cylinder, some folks use a loading stand. I'm in no hurry when loading mine but I can definitely see how a stand would be useful so it's down to individual preference.

Very cool. So aren't these repros supposed to use .451 or .454 balls? Is the caliber actually closer to the .42 caliber of the originals?
 
Good evening,
Mike ( Duelist Den ) said his load used a .432 ball over a wonder wad and 24 \26 grains of 3f Goex powder. ( per my memory so please watch the video for the correct up and up ) I use that as my load and it's got a loud 'Boom' and a bit of recoil and is as accurate as I can shoot it. Your results may vary. ;o)
regards!
 
Cooldill

I think I would go with the Cavalry model for the extra design touches, like the curved trigger guard and the lanyard ring. Just makes it look more "exotic" and "French" to me!
 
Cooldill

I think I would go with the Cavalry model for the extra design touches, like the curved trigger guard and the lanyard ring. Just makes it look more "exotic" and "French" to me!
Very cool. Sounds good.

Some are saying the shotgun barrel doesn't want to go off? You have to sand the caps down for it? Any way to defeat this issue?
 
Heyos again! I _love_ the shotgun on this revolver. The nipple seems to be slightly larger ( on my gun ) than the nipples for the cylinder chambers. I now use a CCI #11 and make sure it is pushed down all the way using a pencil with a rubber eraser tip on it. I've never had a problem with the shotgun firing since then. I had issues before working my way to this solution but reading about many firing problems with nipples coming from ill fitting caps on all makes of guns, it seemed to be a natural fix.
regards ( and I know that you are getting tired of hearing from me * chuckles* I just love my LeMat )
 
Heyos again! I _love_ the shotgun on this revolver. The nipple seems to be slightly larger ( on my gun ) than the nipples for the cylinder chambers. I now use a CCI #11 and make sure it is pushed down all the way using a pencil with a rubber eraser tip on it. I've never had a problem with the shotgun firing since then. I had issues before working my way to this solution but reading about many firing problems with nipples coming from ill fitting caps on all makes of guns, it seemed to be a natural fix.
regards ( and I know that you are getting tired of hearing from me * chuckles* I just love my LeMat )
I see. You use two types of caps on your LeMat?
 
Evenin',
Yes, I use Remington #10s on the cylinder. Push them down with a wooden dowel \ pencil and they stick pretty good. I use a snail capper and it makes capping nine chambers a lot more fun. I hear good things about after market nipples such as Slix Shots and may invest in them but for now, I am happy.
regards!
 
Evenin',
Yes, I use Remington #10s on the cylinder. Push them down with a wooden dowel \ pencil and they stick pretty good. I use a snail capper and it makes capping nine chambers a lot more fun. I hear good things about after market nipples such as Slix Shots and may invest in them but for now, I am happy.
regards!

Well I just made a deal for an unfired cavalry model with it's box and paperwork, a very fair deal I might add! I understand the barrel latch isn't the best and it doesn't have the selector switch for the shotgun barrel, but I am more than willing to deal with that given the price I am paying. I'm seeing these go for no lower than $1095 everywhere I looked online. And this one is unfired, too, not used or corroded. I do very much like the spur trigger design, it has really started to grow on me.

I can't wait to get it to the range!!! Will post pics and a range report as soon as I can. Then I'll be ready to join the club!! :D
 
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