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I am getting to busy to fiddle with different rifles, and I really want try to learn 1 rifle. I am thinking somewhere in the 243/6rem neighborhood. Looking for a do all rifle, but on the light side. I'd also really like 3/4 to 1/2 moa with handloads. Just need to take everything up to deer and have fun. My 25-06 is too much recoil for me to enjoy shooting. Any thoughts or ideas I should consider?
 
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I'm in the same boat as you I just about made my mind up on a 6.5 Creedmore
I've heard some hype, but really haven't looked into that one. Sounds like a few hours of googling is in store.

Edit: the 6.5 creedmoor looks like more gun than I'm wanting.
 
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If you're only hunting deer size game one of the 243 or 6mm calibers will do just fine, although I like the 6.5 better. There isn't much more recoil, but the 6.5 does a lot more.

I'd also really like 3/4 to 1/2 most with handloads

Not sure what this means. Are you saying 1/2 to 3/4 of full power loads? If so that probably isn't a good idea. Most starting loads are 90% or more of max and it isn't a good idea to go below starting load data.

If light 25-06 loads are too much then 243 or 6.5 Creedmoor won't make much difference. Typical 243 recoil is in the 11 ft lb range, 6.5 Creedmoor will be about 12 ft lbs. A 25-06 with milder loads is about 12 ft lbs and about 14 ft lbs with full power loads. Until you start seeing 5 ft lbs difference in recoil most people can't tell the difference.

If you're really concerned about recoil consider a 223 for shooting at the range and use the 25-06 for hunting. Now you're talking about 5 ft lbs recoil. At that point shooting a lot at the range is not only more enjoyable, but cheaper as well. I can buy very good match ammo for 25 cents per round. Cheaper FMJ for under 20 cents per round. Good quality match ammo for 243 or 6.5 will run 75 cents to over $1 per round. They don't make good match ammo for 25-06.

If you truly only want 1 rifle the 6.5 Creed would be my choice. Recoil is close enough to 243, but down range it really performs. To be honest recoil just isn't that much less than your 25-06. But it is a far better round in every way.
 
I've heard some hype, but really haven't looked into that one. Sounds like a few hours of googling is in store.

Edit: the 6.5 creedmoor looks like more gun than I'm wanting.
I'm a huge fan of the .243 myself, I would like to ask, what's the budget, and what are your goals as far as distance, game, etc. ? I understand your accuracy requirements but depending on the types of bullets (as dictated possibly on shooting non lead bullets or bullets past 500 yds) you're limited to certain manufacturers unless you're going custom.
 
If you're only hunting deer size game one of the 243 or 6mm calibers will do just fine, although I like the 6.5 better. There isn't much more recoil, but the 6.5 does a lot more.



Not sure what this means. Are you saying 1/2 to 3/4 of full power loads? If so that probably isn't a good idea. Most starting loads are 90% or more of max and it isn't a good idea to go below starting load data.

If light 25-06 loads are too much then 243 or 6.5 Creedmoor won't make much difference. Typical 243 recoil is in the 11 ft lb range, 6.5 Creedmoor will be about 12 ft lbs. A 25-06 with milder loads is about 12 ft lbs and about 14 ft lbs with full power loads. Until you start seeing 5 ft lbs difference in recoil most people can't tell the difference.

If you're really concerned about recoil consider a 223 for shooting at the range and use the 25-06 for hunting. Now you're talking about 5 ft lbs recoil. At that point shooting a lot at the range is not only more enjoyable, but cheaper as well. I can buy very good match ammo for 25 cents per round. Cheaper FMJ for under 20 cents per round. Good quality match ammo for 243 or 6.5 will run 75 cents to over $1 per round. They don't make good match ammo for 25-06.

If you truly only want 1 rifle the 6.5 Creed would be my choice. Recoil is close enough to 243, but down range it really performs. To be honest recoil just isn't that much less than your 25-06. But it is a far better round in every way.
I typed 3/4 to 1/2 MOA, but was spell checked...
Maybe I should just run a factory varmint 223 for now. I started with a 3006, then dropped to the 25-06. After about 30 rounds with the 25-06 I start flinching, and all goes to heck. I can shoot an ar all day, so I know I can handle the 223.
 
I'm a huge fan of the .243 myself, I would like to ask, what's the budget, and what are your goals as far as distance, game, etc. ? I understand your accuracy requirements but depending on the types of bullets (as dictated possibly on shooting non lead bullets or bullets past 500 yds) you're limited to certain manufacturers unless you're going custom.
I'm looking at 400 yards and under for this rifle, but I'd never shoot any deer or antelope over 200 yards. Strictly lead, and preferably around $1000, but you know how budgets are. Really, I've always wanted a bolt 223, but it's hard to justify when you have pretty accurate ar's in the safe. Honestly, my rifle marksmanship really ducks right now, and I need a rifle to build that back up.
 
I'm looking at 400 yards and under for this rifle, but I'd never shoot any deer or antelope over 200 yards. Strictly lead, and preferably around $1000, but you know how budgets are. Really, I've always wanted a bolt 223, but it's hard to justify when you have pretty accurate ar's in the safe. Honestly, my rifle marksmanship really ducks right now, and I need a rifle to build that back up.
You CAN do low recoil .243 in that budget, especially since you said handloads. You reference antelope, are you a pretty active stalker? I'm asking cuz stalkers tend to not like lugging overly heavy rifles around.
 
You CAN do low recoil .243 in that budget, especially since you said handloads. You reference antelope, are you a pretty active stalker? I'm asking cuz stalkers tend to not like lugging overly heavy rifles around.
I am not an active hunter at all right now, but heavy guns always suck to carry but are pleasant to shoot. It's that happy medium thing, but I know I am recoil shy for sure.
 
243 is a great cartridge. Not taking anything away from the 25/06 either another favorite. Looks like the Creedmore is a very good ballistic cartridge too though. A 223 bolt gun is fun though. Cheap, accurate and easy on the ears and shoulder. You can shoot it all day, Well at least until the wind comes up!
 
I am not an active hunter at all right now, but heavy guns always suck to carry but are pleasant to shoot. It's that happy medium thing, but I know I am recoil shy for sure.
OK, we can make a decent compromise, I recommend the savage 10 predator in the .243. The weight is fine for most plains hunts, the twist will spin all basic hunting bullets you can ever feed it, but it DOES tip the scales just a bit more than standard sporter. Gun broker has a used one cheap enough, but even new, you'll not spend more than your budget. For practice, you can load 55 - 85 gr varmint bullets with a mid-range charge of imr4166 or put some 4831sc under the 85 gr bullets, can't remember the exact load ATM but I can dig it back up again, iirc, 2800 fps from a 20" bbl? tack driving accurate, and very MILD recoiling. Then for game, imr4451/4831 under an 85 gameking or partition will still be mild IF you want more speed than what the 4831sc nets you, once you're good and comfy with that gun, run a Max load of h1000 under a 100 gr prohunter for some heavy hitting tack drivers that'll still git you to 500 yds beautifully or 100 gr gamekings too, but flatbases get you better accuracy. You can throw 95 btips over a Max load as well (per hodgdon 95 gr data) for giggles, but you won't ever NEED too.
Throw a good prone bipod on that baby, use it with those light pills and 4166 and enjoy!
 
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One of my most accurate rifles is a .243 Sako. The only rifles I have that are
more accurate are the .223 and the 22-250. They are a bit too small for deer
and bear, and better suited for varmints. The .243 does it all.
Zeke
 
I have 3 25/06 rifles and I have them specifically because I needed low recoil deer/coyote guns. With handloads I am getting less recoil than most factory 243 rounds but am still able to push a 100gr. bullet to 2900 - 3000 fps.

I have found that the guys who don't like recoil of the 25/06 are usually being tricked by the muzzle blast.

243 can and will work just as well. Handload some Sierra 85gr bullets to around 2900-3000 fps and you can cleanly take a small deer at close range with careful shot placement.

If you just want to shoot paper and varmint a 223 is perfect.

The Ruger American Predator would be a good option for you. The thicker barrel adds a bit of weight which will minimize recoil a bit more and they are accurate rifles as well. If you decide on 223 Savage offers their hog hunter. I have 2 of them and they are quite accurate.

Savage also offers a predator line and I believe the 243 is available.

Howa 1500 is a great option and it also weighs about a pound more than most of the other polymer stocked budget options. A buddy of mine couldn't stand the recoil of his Savage Axis in 308 so I talked him into a Howa in 25/06. He can shoot it very well and the minimal recoil doesn't bother him.

If this rifle is going to be a benchrest only affair, Savage offers their model 12 which will weigh 10-12 lbs with scope and bipod. That will take almost all of the bite out of the recoil. These rifles can be had in different iterations starting around $400 and are usually very accurate. I had one in 223 that was very very accurate.

A standard Ruger American or Savage 10/11 could work very well but will be very light. Adding a Boyd's stock will add over a pound and also allow you to customize the rifle a bit.


In your situation I would get a 223. Use the 25/06 for what it was designed, which is hunting; should you ever decide to pursue that.
243 just isn't going to net you much less recoil (Edit: compared to 223), the barrel will burn out faster, ammo/components are more expensive, and if you are worried about recoil you will be shooting lighter bullets anyway which puts you into 223 territory anyway.
 
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In your situation I would get a 223. Use the 25/06 for what it was designed, which is hunting; should you ever decide to pursue that.
243 just isn't going to net you much less recoil, the barrel will burn out faster, ammo/components are more expensive, and if you are worried about recoil you will be shooting lighter bullets anyway which puts you into 223 territory anyway.

This what a few posts have said. I'm thinking this might be the answer. I just want to shoot a lot, and do so in comfort. The bigger rifles wouldn't be a big deal if I didn't try to shoot them so much in a day. 223 would be cheaper to buy also, so I may be able to shoot more and reload less.
 
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horsey300
No....just...just no.

Show me where you can find .243 bullets for 8 cents a pop or good quality 243 brass for 8-9 cents a piece or any 243 ammo for 20-30 cents/ea.
Barrel life will also be shorter. This is a well known phenomenon with overbore rounds such as the 243.
 
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No....just...just no.

Show me where you can find .243 bullets for 8 cents a pop or good quality 243 brass for 8-9 cents a piece or any 243 ammo for 20-30 cents/ea.
Barrel life will also be shorter. This is a well known phenomenon with overbore rounds such as the 243.
If you're saying in contrast to the .223, then I retract my statement and apologize, and completely agree. I read that as in comparing the .25-06 to the .243.
 
This what a few posts have said. I'm thinking this might be the answer. I just want to shoot a lot, and do so in comfort. The bigger rifles wouldn't be a big deal if I didn't try to shoot them so much in a day. 223 would be cheaper to buy also, so I may be able to shoot more and reload less.
Reloading the tight groups for a fraction of the cost of GOOD ammunition will still suck you back in, I promise, I remember uttering similar words to what you posted as well, from the first load I worked up for my .223, it hasn't seen one single factory load since! Besides, once you REALLY start shooting that thing, you'll HAVE to reload to afford the sheer volume you run downrange ;)
 
If you have a goal of sticking with a single platform to simplify training, you could always try 6.8 SPC II in an AR15 platform. It performs well in the >400 yard range and it capable of taking a wide variety of North American game. If you're mostly looking to target shoot it seems like .223 suits all of your needs.
 
I might be an oddity, but i actually got out of the .223 because i got bored with it. I much prefer to fire 5 or 6 rounds from one of my larger rifles, and then a bunch of .22lr or .357s from one of my smaller guns, than to sit and shoot the same gun all day. I find that i actually develope better overall handling and shooting skills like this than i did when i shot just 1 gun (cause well...thats all i had, an 06 at that).

That said for your specified purpose the .223s probably a really good bet.
 
I typed 3/4 to 1/2 MOA, but was spell checked...
Maybe I should just run a factory varmint 223 for now. I started with a 3006, then dropped to the 25-06. After about 30 rounds with the 25-06 I start flinching, and all goes to heck. I can shoot an ar all day, so I know I can handle the 223.

I believe I've mentioned this before but I do not care for 25-06 recoil. I own 30-06 and .270 and recoil isn't an issue but I find 25-06 recoil unpleasant, and I've shot them in the same models as my .270 and 30-06. So fit is not the issue.
 
Go with the .243. Got a Savage 99 in that caliber with a vintage 4x weaver and it is like a laser with 100 grain factory loads out to 100yds. Got those bullets for hunting, lower weights available for punching paper down to 55gr. Cheap enough, available at Wallyworld.....never bruises my shoulder.
Had a .223 Savage Axis as well, was an ok gun. Accurate enough, no recoil, cheap to shoot, but rough bolt and crappy magazine took alot of the fun out of it.
 
If the primary use is for hunting and the main hunting goal is deer, barrel burnout is the least of any problems.

I've tagged a couple of dozen bucks with my .243 and all were bang/whop/flop. No tracking, ever. All kills were within 200 yards, mostly around 100 to 150.

My .243 is an old Sako Forester carbine, 19" barrel. Seven pounds, ready to hunt.
 
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