Ohio regulation change on straight walled cartridges

is it listed? I think you can only use what they list but could be wrong. if the book has a list I would call to double check. they have a lot of laws not on the book but they are in the ORC and those pricks will catch you up in some crap if not careful.

I wish Illinois would adopt that regulation.

I'm thrilled with the change and have a Ruger American in .450 Bushmaster in lay away to take advantage of the new rules.

ohihunter2014 said:

is it listed? I think you can only use what they list but could be wrong. if the book has a list I would call to double check. they have a lot of laws not on the book but they are in the ORC and those pricks will catch you up in some crap if not careful.

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As mentioned by the OP, the rules were changed to any straight walled cartridge between .357 and .50 calibers. The rule change is posted on the DNR website. No trickery involved. lol

Armored farmer said:

I wish Illinois would adopt that regulation.

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I also ! Illinois will fall into the "big blue" before those low life "wind bags" figure out a center fire straight wall cartridge really is OK to hunt with. Always 15 years behind reality.

.45-70 users will be happy.

Patocazador said:

.45-70 users will be happy.

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That was actually already on the list.

OK. The posts I read made me think that only pistol calibers like .357, .44, and .45 Colt types were legal.

Missionary said:

I also ! Illinois will fall into the "big blue" before those low life "wind bags" figure out a center fire straight wall cartridge really is OK to hunt with. Always 15 years behind reality.

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Very quickly be behind a Sharps 45/70 repro it ever comes to pass.....

I mean, that's great and all.....but do you really want to shoot a deer with a .50 cal? I have seen what some of the larger calibers can do as far as the exit wound is concerned. I figure the majority of the opposite side of the deer will be obliterated, no?

SoonerMedic said:

I mean, that's great and all.....but do you really want to shoot a deer with a .50 cal? I have seen what some of the larger calibers can do as far as the exit wound is concerned. I figure the majority of the opposite side of the deer will be obliterated, no?

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Prior to a few years ago, hunters in Ohio were limited to using shotgun slugs. A 12 gauge slug is considerably larger than .50 caliber. When this list first came out, I was talking to a buddy of mine at work and I said, you do realize that everything on this list is a step down from a 12 gauge slug in terms of "power" ? Yes, I do realize that some of that stuff has a higher muzzle velocity but shooting a one ounce (or larger) projectile that is around 3/4" in diameter is pretty substantial to say the least.

444 said:

Prior to a few years ago, hunters in Ohio were limited to using shotgun slugs. A 12 gauge slug is considerably larger than .50 caliber. When this list first came out, I was talking to a buddy of mine at work and I said, you do realize that everything on this list is a step down from a 12 gauge slug in terms of "power" ? Yes, I do realize that some of that stuff has a higher muzzle velocity but shooting a one ounce (or larger) projectile that is around 3/4" in diameter is pretty substantial to say the least.

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If we are talking sabot slugs they are around the same velocity as say a 45-70 with same bullet. the old lead rifled slugs sucked imo.

I like my 45-70 better cause its cheaper to shoot, doesn't kick as hard, lighter than a 12ga slug gun and more accurate. From what I've heard is the main reason to go that route was the kids can shoot a lighter recoiling cartridge and also availability of guns. shotguns with slug barrels just suck and the other models are more manuvrarable and better for different ranges of people. 2 of my buddies have a hard time fitting a 12ga slug gun to them without modifications but say a handi rifle, marlin, etc fit them great.

I specified a one ounce slug.

Note that everything I talked about was in reference to the post previous to mine, which I quoted, asking if a .50 was overkill for whitetail deer. Again, a 12 gauge slug shoots a 1 ounce slug or larger that is almost 3/4" in diameter at around 1800 fps.

To actually answer the question: depending on the velocity of the .50 in question, it very well might be overkill for whitetail deer. A lot of the stuff people hunt whitetail deer with is overkill. When this law passed about using a .45/70, most of the people I know bought one and immediately tried to find the absolutely most potent load for it that would be more appropriate for a rhino or grizzly bear (but they are using it for whitetail deer). But this is how America operates: nothing is ever enough.

If someone chooses not to use a shotgun slug for deer hunting, that is their business. But that doesn't in any way change the awesomeness of the 12 gauge slug.

ohihunter2014 said:

If we are talking sabot slugs they are around the same velocity as say a 45-70 with same bullet. the old lead rifled slugs sucked imo.

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Shooting full-size (not sabot "slugs") accurately depends on the barrel and choke used. I had a 26" IC barrel for my 870 that could keep 1 oz. slugs within 6" @ 100 yds with just the front bead for a sight. I also have a Hastings 12 ga. rifled barrel for that shotgun that shoots 1 oz. Winchester slugs better than it shoots any saboted slugs. It turns out that one size doesn't fit all. Results may vary with each barrel.

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Shooting full-size (not sabot "slugs") accurately depends on the barrel and choke used. I had a 26" IC barrel for my 870 that could keep 1 oz. slugs within 6" @ 100 yds with just the front bead for a sight. I also have a Hastings 12 ga. rifled barrel for that shotgun that shoots 1 oz. Winchester slugs better than it shoots any saboted slugs. It turns out that one size doesn't fit all. Results may vary with each barrel.

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Its always been hard for me to get a good cheek weld and shoot them accurately cause the OAL of its long for thick deer woods. I had a smooth bore full choke barrel 12ga i shot Winchester out of and it was accurate enough to kill deer say 3'' groups at 75yards with cheapo scope and saddle mount. rule of thumb i was told by a smith was if a dime fits the barrel then its okay for lead slugs. i strive for the best accuracy i can get in all my guns so 3-4'' groups or the old i can hit a pie plate with my front bead shotgun isn't good enough and never should be good enough cause IMO we owe it to that animal to end its life quick and not take guesses. I used a cantilever slug barrel the last few years before SWC and hornady sst sabots was the only thing it would shoot within 4-5'' at 100yards. imo that's a not enough. I also hit a deer in the shoulder and the sst fragged. now i like hitting them with a rhino gun so its down and doesn't suffer.

ive never hit one with a lead slug but i did hit one with a ml last year and not a drop of blood cause there was no exit. speed and weight of the SWC seems better imo. iev always been taught deer should bleed out. the lead slugs will prob retain more energy but likely wont go all the way through.

not arguing by any means just giving my experience.

Not everyone has a rifled barrel on their shotgun. The accuracy increase to a straight walled cartridge rifle is substantial. Even with a rifled shotgun barrel, range is not what a rifle is capable of.

The change to allow rifles was a huge step forward. A nice light short accurate Model 92 by any of the makers is a pleasure to hunt with.

I GUESS the point that I was trying to make is that if you're shooting a deer with a .50 caliber BMG, you're likely going out to shoot a deer just to kill the damn thing. Very little of that animal will be salvageable. It's absolute overkill and if you're shooting deer with a rifle designed to penetrate engine blocks and armor, you're just a downright ass and don't deserve the tag in your pocket.

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I GUESS the point that I was trying to make is that if you're shooting a deer with a .50 caliber BMG, you're likely going out to shoot a deer just to kill the damn thing. Very little of that animal will be salvageable. It's absolute overkill and if you're shooting deer with a rifle designed to penetrate engine blocks and armor, you're just a downright ass and don't deserve the tag in your pocket.

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Last time I looked, a 50 BMG was not a straight wall cartridge and would not be legal.

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I GUESS the point that I was trying to make is that if you're shooting a deer with a .50 caliber BMG, you're likely going out to shoot a deer just to kill the damn thing. Very little of that animal will be salvageable. It's absolute overkill and if you're shooting deer with a rifle designed to penetrate engine blocks and armor, you're just a downright ass and don't deserve the tag in your pocket.

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Most muzzleloaders are .50 caliber and many are larger. Does that mean they don't deserve a tag?
A slow-moving .50 cal. bullet only destroys a little more than 1/2" diameter ... all the way through, thus giving two holes that leave a blood trail, if necessary.

My apologies, I misunderstood I guess. I thought it was talking about ANY caliber up to .50.....proceed lol

I've never got my shotgun/slug gun to do this but my Marlin 1895 45-70 just repeatedly did this tonight and better. I had a b.s recoil pad on it so got a little beat up towards the end. Nice cheek weld, lower scope, lighter more maneuverable rifle.

The cartridge .50's would be the pistol kind, not a Browning. lol

Personally, I found shooting a friend's .44 Mag Blackhawk uncomfortable, so I'll stick with my .357 92.