Medina's about the same as Berea IMO. Lot of the same dealers. It's all under one roof though rather than several like Berea.
gun shows-sheeeshhhhh!
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CapnMac
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LoL
Saw a dealer with the exact same three M-1 Carbines they have had at the last three shows I've been to (spanning back to march). With the only thing different being that they were each $25 more expensive each time.
deadin
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Obviously that's because he has more time invested in them.....
Speedo66
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Believe it or not, there used to be great gun shows a few blocks outside NYC at Yonkers Raceway, a harness track. It was huge, and being outside NYC, very few restrictions. Unfortunately, PC set in and the shows ended. The Westchester County Center, also not far outside NYC, also held shows, but I think those ended for the same reason.
I was to a local show a few times recently and had good experiences. Had nice conversations with a few dealers and didn't feel like they were trying to hustle me. I wasn't really in the market for anything, but bought a Uberti Cattleman one visit because it was a good price and I thought it would be nice to have a .357.
Another time I sold what I considered to be a worthless pistol for $150 more than the $50 I thought it was worth, so again I was happy. Happened to be the same dealer I bought the Uberti from. Mentioned I had one, asked what it was worth. He gave me a figure, I ran home and brought it back. lol
I was to a local show a few times recently and had good experiences. Had nice conversations with a few dealers and didn't feel like they were trying to hustle me. I wasn't really in the market for anything, but bought a Uberti Cattleman one visit because it was a good price and I thought it would be nice to have a .357.
Another time I sold what I considered to be a worthless pistol for $150 more than the $50 I thought it was worth, so again I was happy. Happened to be the same dealer I bought the Uberti from. Mentioned I had one, asked what it was worth. He gave me a figure, I ran home and brought it back. lol
Ignition Override
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ohihunter2014: As a seller, gun shows must be a terrible waste of time.
About ten of my guns and approx. 7,000 rds. of centerfire ammo were bought/sold/traded via Armslist TN over the last two years.
And no photos were provided in my 'WTS' ads, just the cell phone number in the e-mail to a potential seller or buyer. Photos were sent between smartphones.
Responses can easily happen within one or two days of posting. Using common sense, transactions are very safe.
Milsurps attract few people--who are actually in the market and Have the cash--to our shows, as most people check Armslist on weeknights etc... Instead of going to a show.
About ten of my guns and approx. 7,000 rds. of centerfire ammo were bought/sold/traded via Armslist TN over the last two years.
And no photos were provided in my 'WTS' ads, just the cell phone number in the e-mail to a potential seller or buyer. Photos were sent between smartphones.
Responses can easily happen within one or two days of posting. Using common sense, transactions are very safe.
Milsurps attract few people--who are actually in the market and Have the cash--to our shows, as most people check Armslist on weeknights etc... Instead of going to a show.
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Old Dog
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Eh. Must be time for the monthly gun show-bashing thread. Y'all Gen-Xers and Millenials who don't appreciate anything unless you can view it on your I-Phone 6 or Galaxy S-8, we don't need you to come to the gun shows. The rest of us who can enjoy actually talking face-to-face with other humans about subjects we're into (guns, politics, life, whatever) and who understand personal interaction (vs. life experienced only on the internet) will still enjoy seeing a gun on a table, picking it up, and talking to another live human ...
I go to about every one in the area....it is a day out for me....you guys are missing the point of going, you go to look at the stuff, it is cheaper then a movie, better then walking the mall, and you get to people watch....and the women that sell holsters in very low cut tops and yoga pants...well what is not to like....just don't let your wife catch you looking too long (yea she goes with me)
The people are fun.
The people are fun.
As far as your buddy goes, remember dealers could put $800 on a $200 gun if they want, the fact that he walked in and decided $400 was a good price for that $200 gun because its half of what he sees (not what's selling) might be the problem (might not be, just saying its a possibility if he's basing his price off a quick looky-loo).
And sometimes people think they have the same thing and don't see where it has been modified/sporterized. Had a guy at our last local gun show tell my buddy he hand an original milsurp (forget what it was, something very obscure) swore up and down it hadn't been modified in any way. My buddy said if that's the case bring it in and I'll give you at least $800 for it, the guy came back in with a totally sporterized rifle, all chopped up. My buddy said maybe someone would give him $150-$200 for it but he wasn't interested. Ya never know sometimes.
If you know what you paid for it you know what you gotta get out of it, but everyone thinks oh one sold on gunbroker for this much so that's what its worth. It might be what one person or 5 were willing to pay but not what anyone locally is going to be interested in it for.
And sometimes people think they have the same thing and don't see where it has been modified/sporterized. Had a guy at our last local gun show tell my buddy he hand an original milsurp (forget what it was, something very obscure) swore up and down it hadn't been modified in any way. My buddy said if that's the case bring it in and I'll give you at least $800 for it, the guy came back in with a totally sporterized rifle, all chopped up. My buddy said maybe someone would give him $150-$200 for it but he wasn't interested. Ya never know sometimes.
If you know what you paid for it you know what you gotta get out of it, but everyone thinks oh one sold on gunbroker for this much so that's what its worth. It might be what one person or 5 were willing to pay but not what anyone locally is going to be interested in it for.
GunnyUSMC
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My son and I set up every other month at the local gun show. I see the regular dealers that are always there. There are a few that are over priced on everything they sale, don't see how they can afford to pay $75 a table and make any money. Some have 4 or 5 tables. They must be doing the shows for a tax write off. But then there are some good dealers with good prices. Then there's the guys that set up just to sell off their personal guns or other items. Some of these have good deals, but some are down right insane with their prices. Most of the people that come to the show to try to sell or trade a gun are trying to get top dollar, but you can't blame them.
Now when it comes to buyers, some don't want to pay much for anything. They seem to think that a gun show is a place where people go to give guns away.
There is no reason to be rude to someone asking to much or offering to little. Just say have a nice day or thanks but no thanks.
Now when it comes to buyers, some don't want to pay much for anything. They seem to think that a gun show is a place where people go to give guns away.
There is no reason to be rude to someone asking to much or offering to little. Just say have a nice day or thanks but no thanks.
AlexanderA
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Gun show "dealers" have a variety of motivations. For some of them, the goal is not to sell guns, but to set up a table so that they can buy guns cheaply. They put unrealistic prices on their guns, precisely so they they don't sell. If some newbie bites, yeah, they'll sell to him. Other "dealers" are there mainly to prove to their wives that they are making an effort to sell their collections. They can come back from the show and tell their wives that they tried, but unfortunately nobody was buying.
If you are a regular attendee at the shows, these sham "dealers" soon become obvious. I know one guy, who's a regular at all the northern Virginia shows, whose goal seems to be to showcase his ever-growing collection. (Which, I admit, is very impressive.) His asking prices are about twice what realistic selling prices would be. I've learned to basically skip his tables.
I started going to gun shows when i was about 10yo with family members and I'm just a few years shy of being a millennial. I go to gun shows to look for things such as scopes, ammo, guns, etc that i might find a good used deal on not to talk politics with Jim bob.
I enjoy talking shop as much as the next guy but if i can save a lot of money online i will do it because I'm not rich. I could have purchased my last gun from buds for $100 cheaper than i got it in store for but i wanted the piece of mind form the store and the gun still had issues. I seen a couple nice S&W revolvers i would have loved to have but why spend $600-700 for an old beat up one when buds, cabelas, etc can sell me a new one for the same price. If i go to a show and see a lot of older stuff i enjoy it but Berea's show this weekend was nothing but a bunch of gadgets, junk, etc someone was trying to offload. I seen more cleaning supplies, knives, new guns that cost more than they should then anything used that would be worth buying.
As far as the millennial comment....We didn't choose to be brought into this world when we did and we don't choose to have all the fancy phones. I had a flip phone until a few years ago because I'm cheap and guess what I'm only 30. when the flip phone broke i was forced into a smart phone and yes it makes life a lot easier because i can stand at that booth and look up how much a new marlin 45-70 is at several shops, online dealers, etc and kept myself from giving someone an extra $100 of my hard earned money. My buddy pointed out several marlins that were almost $700. I paid $500 for mine without the rebate. without a smart phone there would be no way to know if someone was trying to screw you over. Another millennial comment--I was in a local Wal-Mart a few months ago buying fishing gear and an "old man" was talking to the ammo counter worker and when i walked by the "old man" says very loudly yeah, ill tell ya what the problem is with this country! its these damn millennial/kids that think the world owes them something and they are tearing this country apart. He then goes into a rant about smart phones, welfare and trump and the whole time he's looking at me. I will tell you this! The only reason i didn't put that man in his place was i was raised the right way and taught don't disrespect my elders. I will tell you guys this too. I know a lot of guys who are under the age of 30yo that would lace up a pair of boots and fight for this country, their neighbor, etc without thinking twice about it. i have worked since i was 15yo doing landscape labor for $6 under the table and have held sometimes 2-3 jobs at a time because it was how i was raised. If you weren't raised right by your parents, grandparents, etc you will turn out to be a POS. just cause we are young and forced into technology and some of them make fools out of themselves with protests, etc doesn't mean they are all bad people. Things are different and IMO going for the better so try and embrace it, you might like it.
I hope you have a great day as i type this on my smart phone!
deadin
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Well, my gunshow yesterday went about as I expected. Had one "expert" try to tell me that my Colt 1862 Police wasn't a Civil War era gun. (Proofhouse and the Colt Factory lists show it as manufactured in 1863) His secret list apparently shows 1868...........
Another wanted to look at my S&W 639. When he couldn't find anything wrong with it he asked "How Much?" and I told him what I was asking. Then came the "Let me get my Book". Mt first question was "What edition?" and was told the newest....
After pouring through it for several minutes he had to admit that I was priced at about 80% of the book value. He then countered with "I can't pay that, I have to make a profit." I felt like telling him if he had posted a sign that he was a dealer, I wouldn't have wasted his time as I'm not in the business of him making money off of me.....
Another wanted to look at my S&W 639. When he couldn't find anything wrong with it he asked "How Much?" and I told him what I was asking. Then came the "Let me get my Book". Mt first question was "What edition?" and was told the newest....
After pouring through it for several minutes he had to admit that I was priced at about 80% of the book value. He then countered with "I can't pay that, I have to make a profit." I felt like telling him if he had posted a sign that he was a dealer, I wouldn't have wasted his time as I'm not in the business of him making money off of me.....
GBExpat
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Several years ago on another gun forum an obviously incensed guy posted about an experience that he had had at a local gunshow.
He saw a guy walking around with an (IIRC) SVT-40 on his shoulder with a pricetag attached. He didn't have that much money on-hand, so, without even talking to the gun owner, he left the gunshow, found an ATM and withdrew enough cash to pay the asking price for the SVT-40.
When he got back to the gunshow, he discovered that the SVT-40 had been sold to someone else. He found the new owner and offered him the same money that the new owner had just paid for the rifle.
The new owner asked a higher price to consider parting with his new rifle.
This OUTRAGED the poster. He thought it horribly unfair for that guy to demand a higher price.
He saw a guy walking around with an (IIRC) SVT-40 on his shoulder with a pricetag attached. He didn't have that much money on-hand, so, without even talking to the gun owner, he left the gunshow, found an ATM and withdrew enough cash to pay the asking price for the SVT-40.
When he got back to the gunshow, he discovered that the SVT-40 had been sold to someone else. He found the new owner and offered him the same money that the new owner had just paid for the rifle.
The new owner asked a higher price to consider parting with his new rifle.
This OUTRAGED the poster. He thought it horribly unfair for that guy to demand a higher price.
GunnyUSMC
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Have you see what some members try to sale guns for on gun forums? You can find better deals at a gun show.
Gun show, gun shop, pawn shop, gun forums or private seller. you will find great deals, good deals and things that are over priced. You will also find nice people and not so nice people selling or buying guns. The thing is not to let it get under your skin.
When selling something the key is to find the right market place. It's hard to sell a raincoat to a frog. But don't get upset if the frog gives you a lowball offer.
You can find better deals at a gun show. Gun show, gun shop, pawn shop, gun forums or private seller. you will find great deals, good deals and things that are over priced. You will also find nice people and not so nice people selling or buying guns. The thing is not to let it get under your skin.
When selling something the key is to find the right market place. It's hard to sell a raincoat to a frog. But don't get upset if the frog gives you a lowball offer.
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I'm puzzled by people having so many bad experiences. I've bought several nice guns at the guns shows in Tulsa and Kansas City. Haven't had much luck selling guns and have decided I don't like lugging a gun around, but have never had the ugly experiences described here. Every gun deal I've made has been pleasant and fun. And I'm happy with the guns I've acquired. I always have a good time at gun shows, even the less desirable ones. I can always find a few good deals. And it doesn't have to be a gun; I've scored some really good ammo deals and couple of good knives. It helps that I have a good memory for products and prices, so if the product and price don't match up, I move along quickly or ask if they are willing to hear an offer. I never low-ball anyone. If it's a good gun, offer a fair price. Go to have fun, not to find the bargain of the decade.
Creaky_Old_Cop
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I had this Auto Five (12G) at a gun show a couple of years ago. It's one that I traded for a full tank of gasoline to a broke cowboy at my Pap's gas station in Prescott, AZ when I was a teenager. Often, Pap would take guns in an "unofficial hock" between paydays to known cowboys who worked the local ranches. He's stand them a tank of gas and a 20 dollar bill, and if they didn't show up on payday, or soon after, the gun was Pap's. At the end of the month we had a stack of rifles, shotguns, and a few pistols in his office. It was pretty well SOP for a lot of local businesses and yeah yeah...BATF...blah blah blah...I don't care and...no one in town complained, and this was well over thirty years ago (short version, I don't want a lecture about the BATF and their boogeymen). This A5 was there for 6 months before I claimed it and took it home (and I left $20 on Pap's desk).
Anyway, I have had this in my safe for YEARS and I didn't particularly care for it. I have a Sweet Sixteen, and like it a LOT better, and this one was a hunk of wood and metal that took up space where an AR or AK could live. So, I took it to a Crossroads Of The West Show thinking I could trade it for a K Frame Smith or something fun.
Some goober at a table asked what I had, and how much I wanted for it. I played dumb, and said it's a shotgun that had been around the family for a while, and asked what it was worth. He said the Browning were all over the place in nicer shape for $175-$200 but he'd "do me a favor" and give me $150 cash or $175 trade. I just bet he would. Of course, he had a beat up Gen 2 Glock 17 on the table for $700 and a sign that said NO PAPERWORK on the tag. Funny thing...many of his beat up super overpriced pistols had NO PAPERWORK on their tags. Half the table was his FFL stuff, and the NO PAPERWORK side was filled with his "personal collection", which apparently this guy was a renowned collector of Hi Points, Lorcin, Jennings, Bryco, junk wagon Toks, and other "highly sought after collectibles" such as those with NO PAPERWORK on them.
I passed. I wound up not trading to a table troll, but to an older gent in the parking lot. I got a really nice conversation with a Korean War Vet, and a Colt Police Positive 4". I think we both walked away happy as clams. The Colt came with an unopened box of old Remington KleenBore lead washed 38. (Yes, I like old ammo in boxes).
The best deals are in the parking lot.
Damon555
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I think most of us can agree that certain beloved and cherished traditions involved with our hobby are in a state of transition.....Things are going to change and many of us (me included) don't take kindly to change. But we need to adapt and speak with our wallets. People in the business of insulting their customers or making them feel alienated won't get very far......it might take time but they will fail sooner or later.
It's funny that we are all gun people and gun shows are full of people like us.....on both sides of the table.....so when I hear people complaining about the shows there has got to be quite a few folks on these forums that are just like the people described in the original post. And what of the dealers that are mentioned? There must be tons of them reading these threads too.....but to no avail....some people just don't get it. Crotchety old men and wanna be operators are the bane of our existence. They make attending many shooting and gun related activities such as shows intolerable, especially to folks just getting into the hobby.
But as far as being rude goes I was raised to be polite to people, especially strangers....pretty much no matter what the circumstances. But I've met too many folks along the way that just make me want to shut up, do my shooting or take care of my business and go home.........
It's funny that we are all gun people and gun shows are full of people like us.....on both sides of the table.....so when I hear people complaining about the shows there has got to be quite a few folks on these forums that are just like the people described in the original post. And what of the dealers that are mentioned? There must be tons of them reading these threads too.....but to no avail....some people just don't get it. Crotchety old men and wanna be operators are the bane of our existence. They make attending many shooting and gun related activities such as shows intolerable, especially to folks just getting into the hobby.
But as far as being rude goes I was raised to be polite to people, especially strangers....pretty much no matter what the circumstances. But I've met too many folks along the way that just make me want to shut up, do my shooting or take care of my business and go home.........
Creaky_Old_Cop
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Ding Ding Ding correct.
Well I have to agree on both sides of this. I love gun shows. Especially the Wanamaker in Tulsa. It's a little over priced. It's a little crowded. Some vendors sell stuff that is twice retail (Core-Lokt 180gr '06 for $39/box of 20). Some guns are way over priced. Some are priced right at full retail. Occasionally you find deals from vendors. But they have EVERYTHING there. You want a minigun? They've got them. You want a S&W model 20 (I have one) they have them there. It's honestly a ridiculous amount of firearms and historical memorabilia.
And yes. I take my IPhone with me. I do research on it. I have a fair amount of knowledge when it comes to modern civilian firearms and their values. But if I was at the show and saw a nice used Hakim for sale, I couldn't tell you what it's worth on the spot. But give me 3 minutes on my phone and I'll get you not just in the ball park, but in the infield. And I think I saw a vendor a few posts ago that didn't sound to happy about me being able to acquire information/knowledge on my smartphone. Well, you got you a book. Just so happens I've got several books, current auctions (local and across the country), current online gun shops like Buds, and friends who are dealers. All in the palm of my hand. You say you don't need us? Is that so? Hmmm. Because that makes it easier to "possibly" take advantage of someone without the knowledge or resources? Could be.
And I'm not even a millennial. Could be a Gen-X'er. I don't honestly know. I'm 35. I have no issue paying a fair price. But only a stupid person wouldn't use a resource that's available to them to "potentially" save them money. Maybe all your prices are fair. Good for you if they are (I mean that sincerely). But, maybe they aren't. Either way, I can find out. Smartphones are kind of like door locks. They keep honest people honest.
I will say I don't do a lot of talking at the shows because honestly, I don't want to take a vendors time and possibly have him/her miss a sale because they were BS'ing with me. Strange right? But I've been the guy the vendor missed the sale with before. I enjoy good conversations as much as the next Old Dog. Guns, politics, religion, taxes, BLM, Antifa, Trump, Putin, our awesom military, old movies, homemade BBQ recipes, hell even the weather. But when you have one or two guys working at a booth and 10 guys wanting to look at guns, and one worker is taken up by someone just babbling away? Nah, that won't be me.
And yes. I take my IPhone with me. I do research on it. I have a fair amount of knowledge when it comes to modern civilian firearms and their values. But if I was at the show and saw a nice used Hakim for sale, I couldn't tell you what it's worth on the spot. But give me 3 minutes on my phone and I'll get you not just in the ball park, but in the infield. And I think I saw a vendor a few posts ago that didn't sound to happy about me being able to acquire information/knowledge on my smartphone. Well, you got you a book. Just so happens I've got several books, current auctions (local and across the country), current online gun shops like Buds, and friends who are dealers. All in the palm of my hand. You say you don't need us? Is that so? Hmmm. Because that makes it easier to "possibly" take advantage of someone without the knowledge or resources? Could be.
And I'm not even a millennial. Could be a Gen-X'er. I don't honestly know. I'm 35. I have no issue paying a fair price. But only a stupid person wouldn't use a resource that's available to them to "potentially" save them money. Maybe all your prices are fair. Good for you if they are (I mean that sincerely). But, maybe they aren't. Either way, I can find out. Smartphones are kind of like door locks. They keep honest people honest.
I will say I don't do a lot of talking at the shows because honestly, I don't want to take a vendors time and possibly have him/her miss a sale because they were BS'ing with me. Strange right? But I've been the guy the vendor missed the sale with before. I enjoy good conversations as much as the next Old Dog. Guns, politics, religion, taxes, BLM, Antifa, Trump, Putin, our awesom military, old movies, homemade BBQ recipes, hell even the weather. But when you have one or two guys working at a booth and 10 guys wanting to look at guns, and one worker is taken up by someone just babbling away? Nah, that won't be me.
primalmu
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Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you are, in fact, a dreaded millennial. Those of us born in the early 80s through the late 90s fall into that group.
Well....crap. And according to Wikipedia, I'm actually both! This is utterly depressing. Guess I need a safe space, a therapist, a puppy, and some coloring books.Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you are, in fact, a dreaded millennial. Those of us born in the early 80s through the late 90s fall into that group.
recondoc
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They have definitely changed over the years, in my experience. I started hitting gun shows in the late
'80s as a student. The "gun culture" was alive and well at that time and it wasn't uncommon for table owners to spend time talking to a high school kid and imparting wisdom of one kind or another to me. Some that got to know me would even ask me to watch their tables when they needed a break. I could spend the day at the shows and find the occasional good deal. (It wasn't until after I was 18 that I could even buy the guns myself but prior to that my Dad would always come in to pick me up and "take possession of whatever I had wheeled and dealt for.) Their was an air of fairness and honor that was around in those days.
I took a break for college and when I returned in the '90s things had started to change. By the 2000s it was a whole different world. It seemed the guys at the tables had lost their sense of community. It has a very dog eat dog feel now. Gone are the days of fair offers on something I have to sell. Whereas it used to be common for a table dealer to figure out what he was going to ask for a gun and then openly discuss profit margin with me as we agreed on a price, now it seems to be that they want to lowball as much as possible. The same on the other end. I describe the new era table owner as "Everything I have is made of gold, everything you bring is made of old turds." My new approach, when asked what I want for a gun I bring in is "A fair offer". A lot of them immediately pass on whatever I have and it lets me know their character in one moment. I especially like the guys who have one of whatever I have, on their table for $600 or so and then offer me $225 for mine. I know that they will come off of that $600 by $50-100 but I'm not going to play their game.
Now days, I only hit gun shows when I need to find odd accessories or fit odd parts. There just isn't any joy in them any longer. The guys working the tables put off that used car salesman vibe and when I try to just be friendly, I get people acting like they are waiting for me to hustle them. It's just depressing now days.
'80s as a student. The "gun culture" was alive and well at that time and it wasn't uncommon for table owners to spend time talking to a high school kid and imparting wisdom of one kind or another to me. Some that got to know me would even ask me to watch their tables when they needed a break. I could spend the day at the shows and find the occasional good deal. (It wasn't until after I was 18 that I could even buy the guns myself but prior to that my Dad would always come in to pick me up and "take possession of whatever I had wheeled and dealt for.) Their was an air of fairness and honor that was around in those days.
I took a break for college and when I returned in the '90s things had started to change. By the 2000s it was a whole different world. It seemed the guys at the tables had lost their sense of community. It has a very dog eat dog feel now. Gone are the days of fair offers on something I have to sell. Whereas it used to be common for a table dealer to figure out what he was going to ask for a gun and then openly discuss profit margin with me as we agreed on a price, now it seems to be that they want to lowball as much as possible. The same on the other end. I describe the new era table owner as "Everything I have is made of gold, everything you bring is made of old turds." My new approach, when asked what I want for a gun I bring in is "A fair offer". A lot of them immediately pass on whatever I have and it lets me know their character in one moment. I especially like the guys who have one of whatever I have, on their table for $600 or so and then offer me $225 for mine. I know that they will come off of that $600 by $50-100 but I'm not going to play their game.
Now days, I only hit gun shows when I need to find odd accessories or fit odd parts. There just isn't any joy in them any longer. The guys working the tables put off that used car salesman vibe and when I try to just be friendly, I get people acting like they are waiting for me to hustle them. It's just depressing now days.
Creaky_Old_Cop
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Don't feel too bad. Not all millennials suck. I mean, yes, most of them suck. I'd go so far as to say the extreme vast majority suck...but not all. I mean, one out of a thousand may not suck totally...so there's a sliver of hope for you. Not a big sliver, but if you look in the mirror and don't see a man bun or gauges, then you might be getting close to the tenth of a percent that doesn't suck. However, if you're wearing skinny jeans...then forget what I said about not sucking, especially if you're a fat guy stuffing yourself into skinny jeans, then you totally suck and no amount of redemption will save you.
PLUS...if you missed the humor in the preceeding, then you DO need a safe space and counseling.
Honestly, my best friend is a dreaded millennial, but he's a good guy, doesn't fit the stereotypical millennial profile. The reality is, people are people, and each generation is a bigger pain in the ass to the one before. I am almost 50, and my parent's generation complained about us, and theirs complained about them.
Demi-human
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Dang. This is not how I feel. Honestly I am just going to keep being well adjusted, work hard everyday, be polite to humans and ignore the News. I do like wine, but will not whine.
this is why i belong to a private club now and seldom shoot when others are there. I've been preached at about a chamber flag even though the bolt was in my pocket when i went downrange, been called a kid, had my firearms insulted because they are cheap. I quit going to my clubs pistol shoots because the older crowd always has to be giant orifices. most of my clubs older guys and if your not over 50yo or been a member there for 40yrs then your opinion doesn't mean squat and your treated like crap. what drove me away from supporting the shoot was we sign in on a paper and whoever signs first, second, etc shoots in that order. well guys show up late and all of a sudden hes #3 on the list out of 10-15 people, I was called the last shoot i went to and someone had speed loaders and mags laying on the table. I stepped up to shoot because my name was called and this guy comes over grabbing his mags and speed loaders yelling about B.S and he was there before me and stormed off grabbing his gear and left. After that i said this is bogus and quit going. I have no disrespect against the older crowd whatsoever but i will not be yelled at by anyone. we have one guy whos been there 40yrs and screams and yells at everyone. i don't care if you 20yo or 70yo everyone deserves respect.
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