Ohihunter. I'm 43y0. Try not to get too discouraged. Freedom willing, there will still be a gun culture in 20 years. In the meantime we should shake whatever knowledge out of the old guys we can while we can and at the same time set good examples for the generations behind us. My favorite movie quote of all time. "Deserves got nothing to do with it." People get my respect right up to the moment they don't return it.
gun shows-sheeeshhhhh!
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I like talking to most of them because the stories and guns are pretty cool but for instance. one meeting an old timer stands up and starts yelling about aholes and idiots leaving lights on and coffee pots on. The next meeting 2-3 of them are talking in the back and i cant hear what the meetings about but when i say something to my buddy next to me about shooting afterwards I'm scolded like a little kid and should show some respect when people are talking. If the younger guys ask for something to be purchased for the club such as new archery targets, new benches, etc we are either ignored, told its stupid or we will look into it and never hear anything again but let someone else ask for a dang leaf blower to leaf blow the snow off the sidewalk and they drop $600 on it.
One thing i was told years ago was older people are set in their ways. well sometimes another way is the right way and their way isn't always right.
Again i am not being rude about older people or being disrespectful. someone above mentioned the older crowd being grouchy or rude and i see it all the time. to be yelled at by the guy in Wal-Mart and be told I'm the reason this country is screwed up is just mind blowing! Ive been told by a few of them when i ask them to follow the rules about signing in, no shooting when im cutting the grass, etc that they have been there 40yrs and do what they want.
Well remember, take everything you hear or experience on an individual basis. How many of those older people have had bad experiences with the younger generations. It's the younger generation that thinks they are owed things simply for existing. Many look at the older generations as people just in the way. When the older generations hear this, the generations that fought in WWII, Vietnam, and the like, it would leave a sour taste in my mouth too. Is it your fault? No. Is it theirs? No. It takes understanding on both sides. But the older generations have been subjected to this for much longer than we have. But we and they all have firearms in common. That's a great foundation for building relationships.
Somehow we have to get this thread back on track to gun shows or it will be closed.
Demi-human
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I'm headed to my first gun show this weekend. In Harrison MI. It's about an hour away, in a smaller town. I'm not sure what to expect but I am hoping for good things. I could use a good deal on some seventy-five grain Hornady twenty-two caliber bullets.
Luckily though, if a good buy is not encountered, I pass through Clare which has one of the larger sporting goods stores in northern Michigan.
Luckily though, if a good buy is not encountered, I pass through Clare which has one of the larger sporting goods stores in northern Michigan.
justice06rr
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Sorry to hear OP.
You can blame buyer's market that we have right now. Since Trump got elected and not Hillary (not to make this political). There is a glut of firearms for sale so it is hard to sell some firearms unless you have something highly collectable or hard-to-find gun.
You can blame buyer's market that we have right now. Since Trump got elected and not Hillary (not to make this political). There is a glut of firearms for sale so it is hard to sell some firearms unless you have something highly collectable or hard-to-find gun.
You guys buy reloading stuff at the shows? I seen some powder for a decent price and cases, bullets, etc and was a little skeptical cause whos to say what your getting is legit?
Buy it if I find it at a good price. But I have an LGS that sells powder, primer, and bullets cheaper than online places. But, there are deals to be had. Just have to look. And the latter days are usually better.
Ohiohunter2014, I go to the same one for the last several years, few times per year, but while paying that $6 ticket is not a problem and parking is free - this show is good just for people-watching and gun-browsing. I gave up long time going there to actually buy guns -I would rather buy from few local gun dealers in the area ( Parma and Parma Hts. got 3 new small gun stores in the last few years). The main reason for not buying guns at this gun show is that are grossly overpriced.
Also, the big turn-off for me are those ''dealers" ( usually 2-3 really old guys- friends to each other) siting there whole day, not selling anything, not doing anything ( but being so lazy to put some sort of security cable on their "inventory" of up to 15 guns) that have a sign that says '' DO NOT TOUCH GUNS WITHOUT ASKING" .
I almost want to say '' No Sir, I wasn't interested in that used piece of you know what, SW Sigma that you are selling for $469 anyway !"
The other thing that was disgusting was the price of 22LR ammo during the shortage. Not that I ever bought any from them, but I still can't forgive them that
Speedo66
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Unfortunately, many online sites were doing the same thing, with, to me, "Treats You Like Dirt" being the worst. I remember many crazy prices from them, including $100 magazines. And I have a long memory, I'll never buy another item from them, ever, no matter what the price.The other thing that was disgusting was the price of 22LR ammo during the shortage. Not that I ever bought any from them, but I still can't forgive them that
B&T? what are the other two?Ohiohunter2014, I go to the same one for the last several years, few times per year, but while paying that $6 ticket is not a problem and parking is free - this show is good just for people-watching and gun-browsing. I gave up long time going there to actually buy guns -I would rather buy from few local gun dealers in the area ( Parma and Parma Hts. got 3 new small gun stores in the last few years). The main reason for not buying guns at this gun show is that are grossly overpriced.
Also, the big turn-off for me are those ''dealers" ( usually 2-3 really old guys- friends to each other) siting there whole day, not selling anything, not doing anything ( but being so lazy to put some sort of security cable on their "inventory" of up to 15 guns) that have a sign that says '' DO NOT TOUCH GUNS WITHOUT ASKING" .
I almost want to say '' No Sir, I wasn't interested in that used piece of you know what, SW Sigma that you are selling for $469 anyway !"
The other thing that was disgusting was the price of 22LR ammo during the shortage. Not that I ever bought any from them, but I still can't forgive them that
I did get a kick out of the do not touch signs. What the point of me picking it up and me asking to pick it up. I'm going to get to look at it anyways.
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1. On Target Firerams, State Road, Parma
2. The Parma Armory, Hauserman Road , Parma.
Close to Brookpark Rd and I-480 - you should really check out their new gun range, it is awesome.
I remember this building used to be Army reserve until maybe 10 years ago , with a lot of Army trucks parked there
3. Double Tap, Pearl Road, Parma Heights
2. The Parma Armory, Hauserman Road , Parma.
Close to Brookpark Rd and I-480 - you should really check out their new gun range, it is awesome.
I remember this building used to be Army reserve until maybe 10 years ago , with a lot of Army trucks parked there
3. Double Tap, Pearl Road, Parma Heights
Thanks, Ill have to check that out. I go to B&T here and there. I like the big guy/gun smith and the curly haired guy is okay as well. I like Fin on bagley and in Ashland a lot and try and support them because ive always had great CS from them.
Demi-human
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Well I was going to. If it was a decent price.
I try to get powder from the outfitter in town. He has powder, but nothing else for me. It's a hunting shop, so I understand that there won't be target type components.
FROGO207
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^^^^ Propellant and primers are the costly things due to Haz-Mat. Projectiles are not so expensive to ship IMHO.
I guess we are lucky around here. There are a couple or three fair sized gun shows that are about than an hours drive away from me each year. Yes there the jerky dealers and the cheap knife dudes but there are also a lot of fair priced dealers that participate. $6 to $10 to get in and those over priced hotdogs that I do usually buy. A couple dealers that are over priced so I tend to avoid them but all in all fun to go and support the gun show tradition locally. I want this to be a going concern for those grand kids to enjoy as well. Funny thing---I usually end up buying some sort of firearm that turns out to be a good deal after I get home and do a little research most times. YMMV
I guess we are lucky around here. There are a couple or three fair sized gun shows that are about than an hours drive away from me each year. Yes there the jerky dealers and the cheap knife dudes but there are also a lot of fair priced dealers that participate. $6 to $10 to get in and those over priced hotdogs that I do usually buy.
A couple dealers that are over priced so I tend to avoid them but all in all fun to go and support the gun show tradition locally. I want this to be a going concern for those grand kids to enjoy as well. Funny thing---I usually end up buying some sort of firearm that turns out to be a good deal after I get home and do a little research most times. YMMVZerodefect
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Ohio shows stink. I go there for gear bags and cheap knifes. They want full price for obsolete, out of style firearms. I ain't paying $700 for a chinese AK when I can get a Larue AR brand new for $935.
I don't think they even want to sell anything. I can get a better deal on any pistol over at Fin, Feather & Utter. And since they sell 3 of whatever I want every week, I know I'm not getting a dusty old pistol that's been FF'd a million times. I even let the tables try to give me a fair deal, they're not interested at all.
I don't think they even want to sell anything. I can get a better deal on any pistol over at Fin, Feather & Utter. And since they sell 3 of whatever I want every week, I know I'm not getting a dusty old pistol that's been FF'd a million times. I even let the tables try to give me a fair deal, they're not interested at all.
mudstud
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I NEVER pick up a gun at a gun show without asking the seller if I may, and then I treat the gun with respect. I don't just assume that because a particular gun is for sale that it gives me the right to jack it around. But then, the only guns I'm interested in tend to be collectibles, or higher priced items, not generic cheap stuff. I don't blame sellers for wanting to have SOME kind of control over who is handling their guns. The thing is, there are plenty of tire-kickers and yahoos at gun shows who think because something is for sale, that they have a right to handle everything, even if they have no intention of buying. A seller could have a 100 people handling an item before an actual bonafide buyer shows up. Having said that, I don't actually have any skin in this game, since I have never sold a gun at a gun show, and seldom buy, for reasons already enumerated. YMMV
However, I enjoy going to local gun shows, mostly as a social event, and now and then I run across something at a reasonable price that I can add to the pile! (-:
Zerodefect
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I never by nothing from the no touch tables, I won't even look at them. Those guys should just stay home.
That's the whole point of the show!
That's the whole point of the show!
I do that also but too me its like don't touch my stuff or because I'm a "millennial" I don't know what I'm doing so what if they tell me no? I always ask can I take a look at this or may I also but one table had giant signs do not touch without asking! that just said to me wow this guys a jerk. he could be the nicest person in the world but it is a turn off.
deadin
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When I used to have a table at a show I always requested that someone ask before picking up one of my guns.
There were several reason for this, the main one being was to get my attention that you were about to pick something up and I could keep an eye on you. Another was that I was getting really tired of "tire-kickers". You know the type.... they want to work the action, try the trigger and some even want to field strip the gun. My answer to them was, Sure, just show me that you actually have the money to buy it.....Kind of "You hold my gun and I will hold your money until we trade back".
That got rid of most of the "lookie-loo's".
There were several reason for this, the main one being was to get my attention that you were about to pick something up and I could keep an eye on you. Another was that I was getting really tired of "tire-kickers". You know the type.... they want to work the action, try the trigger and some even want to field strip the gun. My answer to them was, Sure, just show me that you actually have the money to buy it.....Kind of "You hold my gun and I will hold your money until we trade back".
That got rid of most of the "lookie-loo's".
You're wrong, bro. Those signs are for the dudes who don't give a crap about others property. Ever see what a hand full of finger rings can do to the finish on any gun new or old? And don't take those signs personal, not everything is directed at you. If you learn the etiquette you got no worries. Also! This is just me, but I'll readily admit to guy that I'm just learning about a certain firearm, lately it's the m1 carbine, and a few others. You'll find if you're at a gun show later in the day when it's not so crowded you can chat with some of the guys who know a thing or 2. Some of the old guys out there genuinely like passing on the knowledge they've acquired in the exact same fashion you are, by getting out there and meeting people.
This is me after a 6 pack, take it or leave.
This is me after a 6 pack, take it or leave.
theotherwaldo
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We only get half-a-dozen Saxet shows a year down here on the border. Lots of the expensive black plastic that was supposed to be valuable (until the wrong person got elected) and ammo going for well over retail. Mostly the same folks selling the same stuff, year after year.
This has discouraged most of the casual buyers but it encourages me. I'm usually looking for the oddball stuff.
The last couple of shows netted me some 7.35 Carcano, 6.5 and 7.7 Japanese ammo, a Navy Arms double-barrel front-stuffer, a Geha 12 gauge with the usual slightly split stock, about 50 pounds of various sizes and calibers of Berry's plated bullets, some mixed brass, some conversation with old and new friends, and a bit of exercise.
-And also a bit of beef jerky.
I look forward to the next one. Maybe I'll find some .30 Remington Auto.
This has discouraged most of the casual buyers but it encourages me. I'm usually looking for the oddball stuff.
The last couple of shows netted me some 7.35 Carcano, 6.5 and 7.7 Japanese ammo, a Navy Arms double-barrel front-stuffer, a Geha 12 gauge with the usual slightly split stock, about 50 pounds of various sizes and calibers of Berry's plated bullets, some mixed brass, some conversation with old and new friends, and a bit of exercise.
-And also a bit of beef jerky.
I look forward to the next one. Maybe I'll find some .30 Remington Auto.
Ignition Override
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13Bravo:
Those reasons seem valid, and maybe the signs' main reason is for when crowds have too many hands moving around.
Many of you have read the suspicions among some gun show sellers that a few of the Negligent Discharges are connected to some anti-gun Sociopaths cutting zip ties and chambering rounds of ammo, hoping for the worst.
Whether this is one reason for some Do Not Touch signs, your guess might be better than mine.
I saw two guns (one was an AK) at the last Germantown TN show with No zip ties around slides/bolts etc, and told a guy working the entrance table about where the guns were.
Those reasons seem valid, and maybe the signs' main reason is for when crowds have too many hands moving around.
Many of you have read the suspicions among some gun show sellers that a few of the Negligent Discharges are connected to some anti-gun Sociopaths cutting zip ties and chambering rounds of ammo, hoping for the worst.
Whether this is one reason for some Do Not Touch signs, your guess might be better than mine.
I saw two guns (one was an AK) at the last Germantown TN show with No zip ties around slides/bolts etc, and told a guy working the entrance table about where the guns were.
I noticed a few of them also but didn't pay much attention to them because I don't go to the shows to now edict. one thing that I did notice was a guy walking with a revolver with his finger on the trigger, one guy at a table by building 2 with an AR on a 3pt sling and 2 other guys wearing pistols one empty and one with a mag in it.
One guy stopped my buddy and asked about his rifle he was selling and asked if he could see it. my buddy handed it to him and turned around and asked a dealer about a sharps rifle and wasn't watching the guy he just handed his rifle too. the guy took a few steps back and pulled out a magnifying glass and I never took my eyes off of him and began to walk over to him as he was now about 10ft away from my buddy and he says oh, is this your rifle? IDK what that was all about and my dummy buddy had no clue. had the guy walked away with the rifle he would have had a big surprise from me.
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