1988: The speedloader comes to Indiana

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I notice they were still using the old thumb-ejection method

Looks like the FBI reload...AFAIK, still an acceptable & popular method (my default, as a matter of fact ;)). The multi-tasking (i.e. grabbing the loader while you're ejecting) makes for a speedy reload. The risk with the FBI reload is a retained case during ejection, so 1) get the gun as vertical as possible during ejection and 2) be sure to use a strong positive ejection stroke with your thumb. As with any fast and efficient revolver reload, a lot of practice is key.
 
I think at this time FLETC was endorsing the palm smack instead of the thumb press, so the interesting point to me is that not everyone was paying attention to FLETC. That is no doubt as it should be.
 
The palm smack requires both hands for the unload process, the thumb press only uses one while the other hand is retrieving the loader. I palm smack, but I am left handed and have some additional "gun juggling" that I have worked out over the decades.
 
I am left handed and have some additional "gun juggling" that I have worked out over the decades.
I was looking for some speedier reloading technique on Youtube the other night and happened across a Matt Griffin video.

He is also left handed and uses his right index finger to operate the ejection rod. In the video, his reload (shot-to-shot) was 1.37 secs...I'm pretty happy when I can break 3 secs
 
I think a big reason why many trainers in the seventies and eighties were teaching the palm smack and getting away from the thumb press was the shift to .357 Magnum. The higher firing pressure pushes the case out harder against the chamber walls. Any imperfections in the chambers thus cling more firmly to the brass. It may be helpful to whack the ejector rod to get things moving.

If shooting .38 Special, or something else that fires at modest pressure, ejection is easy unless the gun is quite dirty.
 
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It still always surprises me that speedloaders were not adopted sooner by departments. I just cannot imagine going into a gunfight with loose rounds in a dump pouch or in loops. It was only about 30 years ago this was still done by some departments.

Glad Law Enforcement finally saw the light and adopted semi autos as soon as reliable ones started to become available in the 70s-90s. All nostalgia aside, it would be crazy to carry a revolver on duty these days unless it's used as a back up gun.
 
Around 1975 at a Police Combat match, one guy showed up with speed loaders. While everyone was loading from belt loops as fast as they could, this guy was shooting again. At the end of the Match everyone was eyeballing this marvelous invention. At the next Match I went to, every competitor had them.
 
I think a big reason why many trainers in the seventies and eighties were teaching the palm smack and getting away from the thumb press was the shift to .357 Magnum.

Makes sense. The Achilles heel of the FBI reload is the possibility of a stuck case, and IME, that possibility goes up greatly when one goes from .38spl to .357mags.

I was looking for some speedier reloading technique on Youtube the other night and happened across a Matt Griffin video.

He is also left handed and uses his right index finger to operate the ejection rod. In the video, his reload (shot-to-shot) was 1.37 secs...I'm pretty happy when I can break 3 secs

Matt is a top USPSA shooter (who, IIRC, came within a whisker of dethroning Jerry Miculek for a national title), and was likely using moonclips, so his reloads are gonna be smokin'. Also, I'm not sure I saw the same vid, but those I saw were during dry fire, where he's trying to beat a par timer rather than land 2 good live-fire hits.

Using speedloaders in match conditions (i.e. in IDPA, using a cover garment and reloading from cover), a consistent 3 seconds is a good benchmark (if the shots before and after were good hits). In dry fire practice, that translates into about 2.6-2.7 seconds, btw. Getting a bit faster is icing, but that takes a ton of practice, and in the meantime, definitely not worth it in a match if you're flubbing some of them by rushing.

For everyday carry, I'd agree that 5 seconds seems like a reasonable benchmark. Maybe even a bit more if you have to dig in your pocket for the loader.
 
I started as a rookie with the dump pouches (1982). The sheriff's department still carried only six extra rounds on a belt slide with loops. Then we went to speed strips, then the speed loader, then the push button speed loader. In 1989 we began to switch over to semi autos. When that was all you knew, you didn't feel underwhelmed. We also trained a lot in accuracy and hand, eye coordination. When you don't have 17 in the gun and 32 in extra mags, but only 18 rounds, you don't spray and pray.

However, when the bad guys started having high cap semi-auto's, then the game changed.
 
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