HAROLD CLENDENIN
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I have read that this H&K model (if not all H&K's?) are intended to shoot low. My P2000 does. Any information will be appreciated.
H&K P2000 v2 (LEM) .40 "POINT OF AIM"?
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Zaydok Allen
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I wouldn't say that HK's shoot low, only that they are sited in for a 12 o'clock hold rather than a 6 o'clock hold.
For a defensive or combat pistol, this works fine. For a competition gun I would want adjustable sites so I could make it a 6 o'clock hold.
For a defensive or combat pistol, this works fine. For a competition gun I would want adjustable sites so I could make it a 6 o'clock hold.
JTQ
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Typically HK uses "drive the dot" sight alignment. Picture #3 in this group.
https://pistol-training.com/archives/1361
https://pistol-training.com/archives/1361
RA40
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My 9mm P2000 is as JTQ mentions.
HAROLD CLENDENIN
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THANKS! Good explanation - I'll remember this when practicing with this pistol.
Zaydok Allen
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Harold, I don't know that I really articulated what I meant the best. Look at the link JTQ included. My HK's all use the 3rd site alignment. "Drive the Dot" is a better way to describe it, and at short distances for a fixed site gun meant for defense it works fine.
I always referred to site picture 2 as a 6 o'clock hold, meaning you hold the site on the 6:00 to hit the middle. That's what I prefer on a bulls eye gun as you don't cover the target to hit where you want.
That site picture number 1 is........... I don't know why anyone would want that. It seems like it would be really hard to hit consistently like that.
I always referred to site picture 2 as a 6 o'clock hold, meaning you hold the site on the 6:00 to hit the middle. That's what I prefer on a bulls eye gun as you don't cover the target to hit where you want.
That site picture number 1 is........... I don't know why anyone would want that. It seems like it would be really hard to hit consistently like that.
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Chuck R.
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Same here "Drive the Dot" on all my HKs.
You can "tweak" your POI a little by going to a slower & heavier load, but you're better off either getting used to eh sight picture, or replacing the sights.
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You can "tweak" your POI a little by going to a slower & heavier load, but you're better off either getting used to eh sight picture, or replacing the sights.
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As always, we try to use standardized terms on this site so that we'll all mean the same thing when posting.
Sight picture #1 is the classic 6 o'clock hold. It is most commonly used sight alignment for bull-eye shooters who are shooting at known distances. It refers to the top of the front blade being place at the 6 o'clock (bottom) position of the bulls eye.
Sight picture #2 in commonly referred to as Point of Aim/Point of Impact (POA/POI). It is the classic sight picture for handgun shooting as it allows you more control of where your shots should be going at varying distances.
Sight picture #3 is often call Driving the Dots or a Combat hold...I first heard the term used with the Beretta 92SB. It was popularized by the advent of 3-dot sights and shooters wanting to align them before putting the front dot on where they want the shot to land. The major downside is that your POA is more coarse and inconsistent as you really don't have a defined aiming point. It only gets worst as the distance to your target increases and the front dot/blade covers the whole target
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Coal Dragger
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My VP9 LE model with factory night sights is a drive the dot sight picture at 7 yards and 10 yards, shoots to the top of the front sight at 25 yards, and shoots about to the top of the front sight at 50 yards as well.
So the POA/POI will vary a bit depending on distance. I will say that I have had no trouble shooting good scores on IPSC targets at 50 yards with this pistol in a class last year, sights came ready to rock right out of the box.
My HK45 on the other hand shot consistently high, and had to have new sights installed to rectify this issue.
So the POA/POI will vary a bit depending on distance. I will say that I have had no trouble shooting good scores on IPSC targets at 50 yards with this pistol in a class last year, sights came ready to rock right out of the box.
My HK45 on the other hand shot consistently high, and had to have new sights installed to rectify this issue.
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Yeah, sorry for confusing things.
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Destructo6
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I've probably shot 30k+ rounds through a few dozen P2000 LEM .40 and have only used the dots at night.
Otherwise, POA = POI.
What does your target look like and at what distance? Without seeing that and watching you shoot, diagnosis is not much more than a guess.
Otherwise, POA = POI.
What does your target look like and at what distance? Without seeing that and watching you shoot, diagnosis is not much more than a guess.
Winkman822
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My P30L and P30SK are as JTQ mentions, however they do tend to shoot low with lighter bullets (i.e. 115 gr. loads), but with 124 and 147 gr. loads they are picture 3. My VP9 tends to shoot more to image two in JTQ's linked post. All three of them have the HK factory installed Meprolight Tru Dot night sights.
cslinger
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Drive the dot or what I have always thought of as a slight 12:00 hold for all my HKs.
CopperFouling
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This is exactly my experience as well. It took a little while to realize that I was shooting dead on at seven yards and high at twenty-five. Once I realized that, I was ringing steel consistently.
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I have a USP and a VP9. They are both sight pic# 3. The sights are of equal height rather than the front being slightly lower. If I hold properly they are very close to poa, but the USP is harder and I tend to shoot low. The VP 9 is much better. I am planning on putting a 5MM front sight on the USP to make it easier for myself.
RA40
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I have Trijicon HD's on the P2000 and that big colored dot is a bit vague. The 115gr shoot a tad lower at 7-10 yards. The 124 and 147 at those distances creep up about 1/2" higher. The aging eyeballs make this challenging but I do like that big colored dot for easy placement, just not as precise at distances.
lysanderxiii
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For bullseye shooting it's really easy.
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I suppose it would be in that context. If one has a target of a known size, at a known distance, and has the sites dialed in to hit at that point, all one has to do is align the sites with the bottom of the target.
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