Snub Nose - DAO or DA/SA

Snub Nose CCW - DAO or DA/SA

  • DAO

    Votes: 72 55.8%

  • DA/SA

    Votes: 57 44.2%
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I carry a S&W M60 snubbie in my pocket in a Simply Rugged Pocket Protector (I think that's what they call it).

I always think about having the hammer bobbed but I can't bring myself to do it. It's just so nice the way it is. I shoot double action almost exclusively anyway but I like the option I guess.

I practice my draw a lot, when ever my wife isn't home. She knows I love my guns but she doesn't need to know how much. Of the thousands of times I've pulled the gun from my pocket I've never had a snag due to hammer or anything else. I removed the hogue rubber grips as they would print when carried on my belt and snag in the pocket. I replaced the with some nice Pau Ferro wood Hogue grips. The sights are "trench sights" so it's a pretty snag free package. I have been very happy with the holster/gun combo.

I do see the wisdom in DAO however. My M60 was one of my first gun purchases. Had I been more informed at the time I may have chosen differently. No regrets however I love that little gun.
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Probably the best concealed revolver ever devised in my opinion. It took me quite a while to find one considering I am 15 yrs too late.



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TheSpaceWanderer said:
I carry a S&W M60 snubbie in my pocket in a Simply Rugged Pocket Protector (I think that's what they call it).

I always think about having the hammer bobbed but I can't bring myself to do it. It's just so nice the way it is. I shoot double action almost exclusively anyway but I like the option I guess.

I practice my draw a lot, when ever my wife isn't home. She knows I love my guns but she doesn't need to know how much. Of the thousands of times I've pulled the gun from my pocket I've never had a snag due to hammer or anything else. I removed the hogue rubber grips as they would print when carried on my belt and snag in the pocket. I replaced the with some nice Pau Ferro wood Hogue grips. The sights are "trench sights" so it's a pretty snag free package. I have been very happy with the holster/gun combo.

I do see the wisdom in DAO however. My M60 was one of my first gun purchases. Had I been more informed at the time I may have chosen differently. No regrets however I love that little gun.
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I am the same as you except my S&W snubbie came from my father so I really don't want to alter it for sentimental reasons. I've learned to draw and replace the revolver in the holster with my thumb over the hammer. Old revolver trick mentioned by Mas Ayoob in Combat Handgunnery if I remember correctly. Less chance for a snag and no chance for accidental discharge. One of the few advantages to having the spur on the hammer along with a single shot. My snubbie has been worked on though, and I can trigger cock in DA to get the same glass break in single action if I concentrate. My GP100, I can do the same. You have to watch it though as it ruins your DA combat type shooting if you do it all the time.
 
boom boom said:
I am the same as you except my S&W snubbie came from my father so I really don't want to alter it for sentimental reasons.
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I have friend with an older (70's or 80's i think) M60 that he was gifted by his father(when am I gonna get a gift gun?). It sure is pretty without that key lock. But mine shoots .357 magnums where his can't even handle +p's.
boom boom said:
I've learned to draw and replace the revolver in the holster with my thumb over the hammer. Old revolver trick mentioned by Mas Ayoob in Combat Handgunnery if I remember correctly.
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Good trick I'll have to try that out.
boom boom said:
My snubbie has been worked on though, and I can trigger cock in DA to get the same glass break in single action if I concentrate. My GP100, I can do the same.
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Sounds scary. Has the hammer lost it's integrity after that mod? Can you release the hammer by pushing it forward (finger off the trigger)? I suppose the hammer block should raise if you're finger isn't on the trigger anyway...
 
TheSpaceWanderer said:
I have friend with an older (70's or 80's i think) M60 that he was gifted by his father(when am I gonna get a gift gun?). It sure is pretty without that key lock. But mine shoots .357 magnums where his can't even handle +p's.

Good trick I'll have to try that out.

Sounds scary. Has the hammer lost it's integrity after that mod? Can you release the hammer by pushing it forward (finger off the trigger)? I suppose the hammer block should raise if you're finger isn't on the trigger anyway...
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No, the gunsmith smoothed out the trigger--snubbies usually have poor triggers--often the Colts can be the worst in DA (not SA)--if the trigger is cleaned up--you can trigger cock the DA action to just before the break, then break the shot. You have to know when the break will occur though--no surprise break. But, the letoff will resemble firing in SA. The major issue with pushoff is a gunsmith or amateur that messes with removing material in order to make the trigger sear engagement it lighter in pull.

Smoothing still leaves the pull close to what it was weight wise but removes grit and uneven trigger pull weights to prevent the stacking effect, by polishing the action surfaces as well as sides etc. (not removing material). My GP 100 has never been worked on but it is an early one that has seen a lot of use, the trigger pull is butter smooth. For that reason, it too can be trigger cocked if I am so inclined. Now, you only do that when you have made the decision to fire already--it is also called staging the DA trigger.

If you are target shooting DA, it is a nice way to get a bit more accuracy at longer ranges without firing SA. The downside to the practice, the same as cocking the revolver before every shot, is that DA combat shooting requires you to pull straight through and repeat as necessary. You lose a little accuracy but gain speed. Some revolvers especially antique DA revolvers, you should not try to trigger cock as you can damage some by doing so.
 
boom boom said:
No, the gunsmith smoothed out the trigger--snubbies usually have poor triggers--often the Colts can be the worst in DA (not SA)--if the trigger is cleaned up--you can trigger cock the DA action to just before the break, then break the shot. You have to know when the break will occur though--no surprise break. But, the letoff will resemble firing in SA. The major issue with pushoff is a gunsmith or amateur that messes with removing material in order to make the trigger sear engagement it lighter in pull.

Smoothing still leaves the pull close to what it was weight wise but removes grit and uneven trigger pull weights to prevent the stacking effect, by polishing the action surfaces as well as sides etc. (not removing material). My GP 100 has never been worked on but it is an early one that has seen a lot of use, the trigger pull is butter smooth. For that reason, it too can be trigger cocked if I am so inclined. Now, you only do that when you have made the decision to fire already--it is also called staging the DA trigger.

If you are target shooting DA, it is a nice way to get a bit more accuracy at longer ranges without firing SA. The downside to the practice, the same as cocking the revolver before every shot, is that DA combat shooting requires you to pull straight through and repeat as necessary. You lose a little accuracy but gain speed. Some revolvers especially antique DA revolvers, you should not try to trigger cock as you can damage some by doing so.
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That's pretty cool. I was unaware that you could do that. I will say that of the 4 S&Ws I own the triggers are very smooth across the board. I do practice staging, but to me this means pulling the trigger back far enough to rotate the next round into battery without dropping the hammer. I suppose it's the same thing that you're saying but with out the necessary work the hammer doesn't actually cock. It sounds like you can stage a little farther back than I can on my stock guns.

I just tried a few dozen times with my 686+ and I can definitely not get the hammer to cock without dropping(I guess my gun works as intended).

Learn something new everyday. It amazes me how much there is to learn about the shooting sports. I am eternally grateful to those more informed than myself. This hobby offers never ending education and entertainment. I love it.

Sometimes people's attitudes towards words us gunners amazes me. In the 12 years I've been shooting I've found folks that run in our circle to be some of the most laid back and helpful people I've ever met.
 
TheSpaceWanderer said:
That's pretty cool. I was unaware that you could do that. I will say that of the 4 S&Ws I own the triggers are very smooth across the board. I do practice staging, but to me this means pulling the trigger back far enough to rotate the next round into battery without dropping the hammer. I suppose it's the same thing that you're saying but with out the necessary work the hammer doesn't actually cock. It sounds like you can stage a little farther back than I can on my stock guns.

I just tried a few dozen times with my 686+ and I can definitely not get the hammer to cock without dropping(I guess my gun works as intended).

Learn something new everyday. It amazes me how much there is to learn about the shooting sports. I am eternally grateful to those more informed than myself. This hobby offers never ending education and entertainment. I love it.

Sometimes people's attitudes towards words us gunners amazes me. In the 12 years I've been shooting I've found folks that run in our circle to be some of the most laid back and helpful people I've ever met.
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Regarding trigger cocking,
As the supertramp song goes,
Some they will and some they won't
and some they do and some they don't
for some it is just as well.

S&W's for the most part have great triggers, Colts can with some help, and Rugers take some work or lots of use. Taurus and Rossi, depends on who showed up for work that day.

To trigger cock one, you have to be able to predict exactly when the break will occur and that break should be repeatable. Mushy, gritty, or stacking triggers generally don't do that. Glad that you still like to shoot revolvers--not nearly as popular as it was before the plastic fantastics (which I also have representative models). If you do like S&W revolver pulls, get a Third Generation S&W Semi-Auto in DAO before they all vanish. Very similar in trigger pull on purpose to the revolvers.
 
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boom boom said:
Regarding trigger cocking,
As the supertramp song goes,
Some they will and some they won't
and some they do and some they don't
for some it is just as well.
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Well, if I claim to be a wise man, it surely means that I don't know.
Despite the volumes of knowledge I've accrued over the years. I think I can still claim to be a wise man...

boom boom said:
. Glad that you still like to shoot revolvers--not nearly as popular as it was before the plastic fantastics (which I also have representative models).
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Life is full of disappointments. Take your pleasures where can get them, whether they be plastic or steel. Different strokes to rule the world.

My elementary school gym teacher had a sign printed above the gym doors "If you had fun you won".

Revolvers are fun. I win!
 
I'm old school and will go for the SA/DA. Like having that option. A snubbie can be very accurate, even out to 200yrds. With practice of course.
 
I voted DA/SA.
 

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Here is my 642. I shoot single action when I shoot an NRA or local match, but when it comes to self defense I think DAO is the best option.
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