Dallas Market Hall Show 23 Sep 17

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Went to the show and came back empty-handed, but, not for want of trying.

Was very clear that Saturday youth sports are well underway, as the crowd was non-existent.

Was a guy there with two tables of M-1 Carbines; Underwoods, Standards, even a National Postal Meter and an original Rockola. I did not leave the house with $1100 in my pocket, though (and the last two were $1299 and $1200, respectively). Really. they all looked almost too good, like the parts had been cherry picked to match the receivers. I don't have a problem with that--as long as it's disclosed.
Some nice Garands, too, but asking $1200-1400 for $800 Service Grades rubs me wrong.

For Keltec fans, RDBs were all under $800 (looked at one at $745 those very hard); even the RFBs were all under $1200.

Quite a lot of knive vendors out; but short shrift if you were looking for knife parts for making.

Not a lot of ammo, and what was there was high as the sky. I mean really, you are not going to sell much .243 if you are pricing it higher than retail+ta+shipping.

Was an old boy who really distracted me for having not one, but two Colt 1903s. Looked like a 1st generation, and a 3rd. Former was $400, latter $600--dude did not want to talk about those at all. Was not friendly or helpful at all, really. Which was under-smart. I could have been talked into the $400 1903 if he had only tried. Or offered a bore light to see how smooth the bore was. Or even the time of day.

So, not one thing on my shopping list. C'est la vie, Did give a couple bucks to the USMC assistance guys. Thay at least knew how to sea story.
 
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Was an old boy who really distracted me for having not one, but two Colt 1903s. Looked like a 1st generation, and a 3rd. Former was $400, latter $600--dude did not want to talk about those at all. Was not friendly or helpful at all, really. Which was under-smart. I could have been talked into the $400 1903 if he had only tried.

You would have had me right there with the one Colt for $400. Wouldn't have taken any effort at all to talk me into taking that Model 1903 home with me at that price.
 
Was at the A&M/Arkansas game at Jerry's World yesterday and planned on making the drive over to the Market Hall afterwards. With the game going into overtime and by the time I cleared the parking lot it was after 4 so I didn't try. Plus I was out of cash. $60 :eek: for a pizza and four beers but I knew that going in. Going to try and talk the wife into going this morning before we leave Dallas but that's not a sure thing.
 
The Nation's Gun Show at Chantilly, Virginia, is this coming weekend. These large gun shows have become so predictable -- the same vendors, the same table layout, the same items for sale, the same (high) prices, etc. There's hardly any point in going unless you are looking for something specific that you know will be there. The days of hobbyists clearing out their collections are long gone. The old guys have either died off, or become discouraged by the high table rents or the general hassle factor. Actually, the small, rural shows (held at firehouses, VFW halls, etc.) might be more fruitful venues.
 
First time I went to the Dallas Market Hall Gun Show was this spring. That's where I got my Winchester Model 12! There was also a guy selling Lego figures with custom painted, historically accurate military uniforms and weapons. I only mention this because my son loves legos and he was enthralled with the selection. Needless to say, we had fun and would've probably gone again this weekend had he not gotten sick. Hopefully next time.
 
the one Colt for $400.
Oh, I walked past it a couple-three times. But could just not get past the dude's attitude.

Ok, it ws a lean show, and there were probably too many looky-lous, but, sheesh, I would have bought the thing if I could see any rifling at all, even on a solid black bore. But, it was "nope, as is." Win some, lose some; his loss, not mine.
 
planned on making the drive over to the Market Hall afterwards. With the game going into overtime
Funny that. I live less than 2 miles from the west entrance to Jerryworld. Jerry and I do not see eye-to-ey on ticket prices, let alone parking fees, so I watched at home, with the radio on for Dave and Dave to give the play-by-play.

But, the OT gave me time to get ready, and leave as soon as the interception was made, so, I beat the rush heading East.
Eastbound 30 traffic was ugly even at 5 when I was heading West.

Just one more way I counted myself lucky. That, and I really did not want to see the piggies win :)
 
I went to a local show two weeks ago and it was noticeably underpopulated. I asked one of the vendors I talk to what the story was, his reply was he wasn't going to make any money this show, he knew that going in. Bad time of the year. But in order to keep his table spots, he was forced to attend.

I went there specifically to buy a box of primers and some powder. I comparison shopped and thought I did OK, $27 for Winchester small pistol primers and $18 for a bottle of Trail-Boss, both included tax. Since I buy in small quantities, Haz-Mat fees would kill any on line prices, assuming I could do better.

Capt., you said the Carbines looked good, the only vendor I saw that had any was asking similar prices, but his three looked like they'd been dragged along the ground in every skirmish since WWII. But as one of the lightest, smallest, least recoiling military rifles, they do have their appeal and no doubt will continue to rise in price. We only have to look at SKS's, Swedish Mausers, and Mosins to know it's only a matter of time until people are bragging they were able to buy one at these prices.
 
Arrived at about 10 A.M. and there was probably 20 - 30 vehicles in the parking lot. Basically a ghost town when we (15 year old grandson) walked in. Grandson saw a decent S&W Model 27 he thought I might be interested in. Vendor didn't have a problem with me asking to take a look but balked when I pulled out my bore light and dental mirror. Walked away. The vendor with the Garand's was friendly enough but upon inspection their "service grades" were, IMO, no better than rack grade and poor examples at that. Ended up buying two "+2" magazines for the grandsons Glock 43 and leaving after 45 minutes. Expected more but, as always, enjoyed the time I spent with my regular gun show and shooting partner. Have seen better shows this year at smaller venues in central Texas.
 
Arrived at about 10 A.M. and there was probably 20 - 30 vehicles in the parking lot.
Malarkey. (or you weren't at Market Hall.) o_O
I was there at 7am and there were 50-80 vehicles already in the lot........that belonged to vendors. By 730am (when they opened the doors to vendors) there were over 200 vehicles. Being that vendors are going to be there the entire day I don't think it's remotely possible that you only saw "20-30 vehicles in the parking lot" at 10am.


Basically a ghost town when we (15 year old grandson) walked in.
Attendance was light, but hardly a ghost town.


Have seen better shows this year at smaller venues in central Texas.
Please name them. There are a lot of dealers who would love to know of a gun show in Texas that is better than Dallas Market Hall. Even at it's worst, it's still the best.


Take a look in the mirror to see who's at fault for the current state of gun shows and the gun business. ;)
 
There are a lot of dealers who would love to know of a gun show in Texas that is better than Dallas Market Hall. Even at it's worst, it's still the best.
I have to agree with Dogtown Tom on this.
I drive up ever year for the show and its generally worth it as it i not a sea of black plastic.All the ones around Houston and surrounding areas suck comparatively..
 
Dogtown Tom: Well opinions do differ. There are probably hundreds of gun shows in Texas every year. If you want to believe your gun show is the best in Texas so be it. That's your opinion and your entitled to it but I'm sure there would be many that disagree.Gun shows are not what they used to be but I still go because I occasionally find something that peaks my interest and no I'm not going to name the venues of the other gun shows that I thought were better as, again, that is my opinion agree or disagree.
I may not buy, sell or trade as many firearms as you or your business does annually but I do enough to keep my head in the game. Consumer demand and, unfortunately, the political climate dictates the "current state of gun shows and the gun business". I am not nor do I believe anybody else that reads this forum, either individually nor collectively, is at "fault" for the present state of affairs, good or bad, that the firearm industry finds itself in today.
If you believe I somehow cast dispersion's upon you or your fellow vendors at the Dallas Gun & Knife Show I apologize. I also apologize to CapnMac for the unintentional hijacking of his thread.
 
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Dogtown Tom: Well opinions do differ.
"20-30 vehicles in the parking lot" at 10am isn't an opinion....it's a blantant falsehood to put it nicely. Why you say that is odd to say the least.


There are probably hundreds of gun shows in Texas every year. If you want to believe your gun show is the best in Texas so be it.
It's not just my opinion, but that of dealers throughout Texas. What isn't an opinion is that it remains the largest in attendance and number of tables. That's why dealers consider it the best. If it wasn't it wouldn't be that big or well attended.

That's your opinion and your entitled to it but I'm sure there would be many that disagree.
I'm sure there are.

Gun shows are not what they used to be but I still go because I occasionally find something that peaks my interest and no I'm not going to name the venues of the other gun shows that I thought were better as, again, that is my opinion agree or disagree.
Why not? Is it a secret that there are "better shows this year at smaller venues in central Texas" ? Heck, I would love to know where the deals are better, where the selection is better, where the attendance is better.........and no one is challenging your opinion. I would love to know what 100 table show in Central Texas has a better selection than the 1500 tables at Market Hall.



I may not buy, sell or trade as many firearms as you or your business does annually but I do enough to keep my head in the game. Consumer demand and, unfortunately, the political climate dictates the "current state of gun shows and the gun business". I am not nor do I believe anybody else that reads this forum, either individually nor collectively, is at "fault" for the present state of affairs, good or bad, that the firearm industry finds itself in today.
You missed the point of my "look in the mirror" comment. The fault of the current state of the gun biz............it's all of us. That's why the ;)




If you believe I somehow cast dispersion's upon you or your fellow vendors at the Dallas Gun & Knife Show I apologize. I also apologize to CapnMac for the unintentional hijacking of his thread.
Well, it is a thread about the Market Hall gun show. The only thing I take real issue with is your ability to count cars.:uhoh:
 
The only issue you can take away from this is my inability to count cars? Please. True I didn't stand there and go 1,2 3, 4. It was an estimate. I may have been off by 20 or so but not much more than that. You state that there were over 200 cars in the lot when the doors opened at 9. I say at 10 there was way less than half that. Hobbyist show attendance held in public venues ebb and flows throughout the day, You should know that, especially on a Sunday morning. What I saw in the parking lot at 10 A.M. might be entirely different 15 minutes later. I understand that your trying to protect your turf but to claim that my estimate of vehicles was a "blatant falsehood" or that I intentionally attempted to mislead forum members is, sir, a little over the top.
You admit attendance was "light" and I stated that it was like a "ghost town." That's just semantics my man. OK, let me change "ghost town" to less than expected or sparse. Is that all right? I've been to three Dallas Gun and Knife Show's in the past and it was always been elbow to elbow. Not so this time but I usually go on Saturdays. Obviously it's different on Sunday mornings.
You state that you are not challenging my opinion concerning my claim of attending "better shows at smaller venues" but the fact is sir that is exactly what you are doing. More tables in large venues may mean a larger selection but not necessarily, IMO, a better selection. At least not for what I'm looking for. I have a C&R license and my scope is fairly limited to firearms that meet that criteria but I'm open to anything I consider a decent deal. I've bought four firearms this year at the smaller venue shows and just accessories at the large shows in Houston, San Antonio, Austin and now Dallas. A bayonet for my SKS Paratrooper at the NRG show in Houston, a holster for my Tokarev at the San Antonio show and the aforementioned Glock 43 magazines at the Dallas show.
I'm glad that you and your dealer/vendor friends believe the DAG&K show is the best show in Texas for attendance and number of tables and it may be true. But to tell you the truth the number of tables and attendance means nothing to me. This year the smaller venues have been pretty good for me and the larger venues not so much. This may all change next year. Who knows. I wish you luck in any future show and I plan on attending the next Dallas Arms show if schedule permits. Don't worry though I won't estimate the cars in the parking lot.
Emo con or not I take no blame for the current state of the firearms business. Whatever it may be. I've been supporting them one way or another, usually through my wallet, since I was in the military fifty years ago :cool:
 
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Please recall, Alte showed up (relatively) early on Sunday morning.
He will appreciate that my impression of the crowd at 1530 on Saturday was that it compared similarly to Brazos Convention Center show on a Gameday. (Would have been a decent crowd in Brenham, though :))

While the Market Hall show is a decent one, I really prefer the Premiere show in inf Fort Worth's Will Rogers Coliseum, even with having to pay for parking. Neither of the last two Market Hall shows had dealers expanded into the east hall, or even fully back to the south wall under the mezzanine. (Pecan vendors and trinkets back there, though.).

I'm still wondering if the guy with the Garands was also the one flogging the Carbines. Would explain much if so.
 
Plase recall, Alte showed up (relatively) early on Sunday morning.
He will appreciate that my impression of the crowd at 1530 on Saturday was that it compared similarly to Brazos Convention Center show on a Gameday. (Would have been a decent crowd in Brenham, though :))
LOL! Captain, you are spot on. The Brazos County Expo Complex off Hwy. 47 now sponsors the one or two gun shows we have every year. Smaller venue with 100 tables or so. At the show last spring I picked up a nice S&W Model 10-5 with nickel finish for $400 no tax from a private seller. Have a picture up on page 272 of the "Identity and date of Manufacture of S&W Revolvers" thread in the Handguns: Revolvers section here.
And Thank you! :thumbup:
 
Captain, you are spot on.
Well, almost cheating; I lived in 77801 for 14 years, and in 77802 for 12 years.
I remember leaner years, when the local show would be at the VFW out on 2818, only seemed like there were only 40 vendors.
I can remember when the Belton show was worth the drive but the Waco one generally wasn't.
Brenham was decent, but seemed as small as a VFW show.
The "big ticket" was the AstroHall show. Which was easily larger than MarketHall. The show in Reliant is just no comparison.
Never liked the George R Brown show, and the location did not recommend itself.

Occasionally, I miss those days.
Rather like I miss having to get up at dawn to go shoot with Brazos Valley Service Rifles.
Or quiet afternoons out at Arrowhead
 
Occasionally, I miss those days.
Rather like I miss having to get up at dawn to go shoot with Brazos Valley Service Rifles.
Or quiet afternoons out at Arrowhead



Back in the day when a big game at Kyle Field was 45,000. Expecting 100,000+ for the 'Bama game next weekend and 80,000+ tomorrow for South Carolina.
The Houston Gun Collector's Association show at NRG (Reliant) has been hit or miss the last few years but I still like to attend. Have had fair luck the last couple of years at the smaller venues like Conroe, The Woodlands, Dripping Springs and a few others. The local VFW still has show every year. I'm a member but don't go out there a lot. Will occasionally take some of the young deputies that I work with that are Iraq and Afghan vets. Older vets won't usually let them pay for their drinks which they think is pretty cool.
I don't think the BVSRA is in business any longer but I could be wrong. I looked into it a few years ago but, although I have several older military rifles, I didn't have a rifle, at the time, that met their competition criteria.
In '97 I took my first CHL qulaification at Arrowhead. Have a few other range options available now and a private gun club just northwest of Navasota with a 500 yd rifle range. Kind of expensive at $625 a year with veterans discount but the facilities are top rate.
 
Wonder if that's the Appleseed range I spent some time helping build just outside of Cawthen.

Wow, had not thought of the Conroe sho in a long while. Was a good excuse to go to Atchalafaya over in Spring for supper.

I'm an old enough fart to remember when Bill Weissman was across the street from Chicken Oil, before moving out by the speedway. And back when the public range was Indian Lakes out on Cherokee road. Remember when Arrowhead opened, right after Indian Lakes closed. Mind I also remember when Dave Burdett moved to town from Brenham. Cathy Burdett talked me into a Glock 17, back when their shop was in Townshire over by what's now (or was in 2011) TOPS office supply. Mind, I also remember buying ammo in Tristate Sporting goods, which used to be where the publisher shop is over there in Townshire.
But, then again, is was a customer of Dan Lassiter when he owned Outfitters, before Eddie Sullivan bought the joint.

Oh, and I'll be one of the 80,000 on Saturday.
 
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Tristate! Hadn't thought about that place in years. Prices right in line with Gander LOL! I give the gun smith over at Burdett & Sons, right across from TAMU east gate, some business when I get into something over my head. Mike and Katie and staff over at Champion Firearms are my go to LGS plus their indoor range is pretty nice.
I think the guy that bought out Eddie and Outfitters closed shop awhile back. Worked with Eddie's nephew many years ago. All good people.
Right now insurance companies are using the speedway to store vehicles damaged by Harvey. Once that clears it's supposed to be bulldozed for a new residential housing development.
 
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