MidRoad
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Completely agree.much prefer nature shows to the gun in a zoo type of shows on the outdoor channels. thats reason I mentioned Meateater too.
What happened to the "REAL" hunting shows?
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caribou
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Since I appear , time to time, catching some animal or another , I can tell you a hunting show can have a huge variance from whats happened on the ground all the way up to how many dead animals ''corporate'' thinks its viewers can handle. Inbetween the trigger puller and 'Corporate' there are a dozen editors, story writers and a crap load of people just editing for content 2 cameras and 1/2 a dozen go-pro's are on at any one time. I also work with outdoors photographers that travel the world filming hunting and Winter sports shows.
It also depends on editing.Theres also times when editors just dont get whats happening, and flub a good story.The show I am on dosent have a center around Hunting, its around making a living outside, in Alaska, which happens to have alot of hunting involved, but not all of its hunting.
Then theres the Money aspect and the target audience/advertisers on hand, etc.....So, are they selling 'The hunt of a life time'' ? if so, then your gonna watch a hunt that 99% ends in success. Wanna watch some one lose weight via go-pro cams on an island alone,'subsisting', then you'll see 99% failure. The commercials will tell all. Thats the Corporate angle.
Also the angle of the photographers camera, or what the photographer is filming vs what were shooting; ie; we target fat slow female Caribou when its winter and when Caribou run (they all run after the first shot) the skinny's get ahead, the fat calf-less cows fall to the back, like racing Dogs. The rear of the strung out herd are where the shots made, but the camera was following the knot of Caribou at the front of the herd. We can only shoot so many Caribou a day and they would miss 1/2 the kill shots..... and ''kill shots'' are a big thing on film.
Somewhere between the hunt, what happend and what corperate has their editors do with it is what you see on TV.
It also depends on editing.Theres also times when editors just dont get whats happening, and flub a good story.The show I am on dosent have a center around Hunting, its around making a living outside, in Alaska, which happens to have alot of hunting involved, but not all of its hunting.
Then theres the Money aspect and the target audience/advertisers on hand, etc.....So, are they selling 'The hunt of a life time'' ? if so, then your gonna watch a hunt that 99% ends in success. Wanna watch some one lose weight via go-pro cams on an island alone,'subsisting', then you'll see 99% failure. The commercials will tell all. Thats the Corporate angle.
Also the angle of the photographers camera, or what the photographer is filming vs what were shooting; ie; we target fat slow female Caribou when its winter and when Caribou run (they all run after the first shot) the skinny's get ahead, the fat calf-less cows fall to the back, like racing Dogs. The rear of the strung out herd are where the shots made, but the camera was following the knot of Caribou at the front of the herd. We can only shoot so many Caribou a day and they would miss 1/2 the kill shots..... and ''kill shots'' are a big thing on film.
Somewhere between the hunt, what happend and what corperate has their editors do with it is what you see on TV.
I too work with several professional videographers, and photographers. They film for several hunting shows. And Caribou is exactly right. Occasionally I’ve seen the “hunter” get busted by the animal. Except the editors missed the shadows of someone in the group’s arms waving to try and scare the animal away.
Saddlebag Preacher
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Hey Caribou, Welcome Back! Been catching up with you on Netflix (cut cable a couple of years ago. Really enjoy your family's segments!
caribou
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Thankyou, Preacher 
I might throw down that its NOT easy with only one extra guy along in close, and theres no hiding that big ''eyeball'' of a camera lens. The hardest has to be bird hunting.
This spring, for example we did an awsome stalk, and I shafted a nice Bull Caribou with my camera guy about 20 feet to my left, the Caribou was all eyes on him, and I got a great pass through and the Caribou just staggerd and went hooves up....but the 'kill shot'' wasnt caught on camera, so that was that .....LOL!
............so sometimes the camera being there can help, but the uncountable stalks that were blown dot make up for it, which is why I just didnt use a bow on camera most of the time. Besides, I live in the great wide open (except the trees that line our rivers) and it really takes a pro behind the camera shooting to actually get a good hunt in with someone whos shooting a gun.
Might be why box and feed stand hunting on TV is so popular.......
Someone waving, scaring off the animal, BigBore, oh ya! ....LOL!
I have actually seen that in a tec we had along and who didnt ''believe in killing'' and was doing his best to mess with us, in a semi-covert way....was really weird, we had to sit him down and talk about his future in the job.......and he actually stopped his antics, worked out the shoot and never came back
I might throw down that its NOT easy with only one extra guy along in close, and theres no hiding that big ''eyeball'' of a camera lens. The hardest has to be bird hunting.
This spring, for example we did an awsome stalk, and I shafted a nice Bull Caribou with my camera guy about 20 feet to my left, the Caribou was all eyes on him, and I got a great pass through and the Caribou just staggerd and went hooves up....but the 'kill shot'' wasnt caught on camera, so that was that .....LOL!
............so sometimes the camera being there can help, but the uncountable stalks that were blown dot make up for it, which is why I just didnt use a bow on camera most of the time. Besides, I live in the great wide open (except the trees that line our rivers) and it really takes a pro behind the camera shooting to actually get a good hunt in with someone whos shooting a gun.
Might be why box and feed stand hunting on TV is so popular.......
Someone waving, scaring off the animal, BigBore, oh ya! ....LOL!
I have actually seen that in a tec we had along and who didnt ''believe in killing'' and was doing his best to mess with us, in a semi-covert way....was really weird, we had to sit him down and talk about his future in the job.......and he actually stopped his antics, worked out the shoot and never came back
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MidRoad
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Thankyou, Preacher
I might throw down that its NOT easy with only one extra guy along in close, and theres no hiding that big ''eyeball'' of a camera lens. The hardest has to be bird hunting.
This spring, for example we did an awsome stalk, and I shafted a nice Bull Caribou with my camera guy about 20 feet to my left, the Caribou was all eyes on him, and I got a great pass through and the Caribou just staggerd and went hooves up....but the 'kill shot'' wasnt caught on camera, so that was that .....LOL!
............so sometimes the camera being there can help, but the uncountable stalks that were blown dot make up for it, which is why I just didnt use a bow on camera most of the time. Besides, I live in the great wide open (except the trees that line our rivers) and it really takes a pro behind the camera shooting to actually get a good hunt in with someone whos shooting a gun.
Might be why box and feed stand hunting on TV is so popular.......
Someone waving, scaring off the animal, BigBore, oh ya! ....LOL!
I have actually seen that in a tec we had along and who didnt ''believe in killing'' and was doing his best to mess with us, in a semi-covert way....was really weird, we had to sit him down and talk about his future in the job.......and he actually stopped his antics, worked out the shoot and never came back
It's real interesting hearing about what goes on behind the camera. Kinda figured it makes it alot harder stalking game with a camera dude fallowing around. And props to you for keeping your cool on the "anti killing" fella,pulling antics. That's gotta be frustrating .
Good for Meateater, but lots of hunters don't have the $ or physical ability to do his types of hunts.
MidRoad
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That's not how I meant it. You are right ,he does do some wild stuff and gets to go all over the place. Which the majority of people (myself including,never been east of Ohio) don't have the funds or chance to do.
I was aiming towards the point of his show is about the essence of hunting,and what you take away from it,and the memories created. Not just a bunch of repetitive bang flops over feed or casting bullets 700 yards ,or reserve hunting massive Texas racks. Which most hunting shows now a days seem to be.
He certainly approaches hunting at a deeper level.
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Paul7, I suggest that you browse through some of the threads started by caribou.
Loyalist Dave
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Which is a nice change. The vast majority of cable "hunting" shows are outdoors versions of informercials for products.
I've seen shows where the "hunters" are in a heated, elevated blind, whispering, while they sight in and shoot a large buck at the feeder more than 300 yards away. I mean geesh if that deer can hear you that far way you better be using something that's launching kryptonite!
God Forbid that an actual hunter on cable would point out most of the stuff out there is equal to most of the gadgets sold to golfers. Might help, but probably isn't necessary.
Scent lock
Fiber Optic sights
Gortex
Buck lure
Food lure
Dirt Soap
Cover scent
elevated, enclosed stands
Feeders
food plots
IF all of the above is necessary, then how come wearing wool and linen, cleaned with plain lye soap, and then smoked over a hickory fire, and using a rifle with iron sights, and getting the deer in under 100 yards, I can harvest deer every year? I'm not begrudging folks from optic sights (they're not on the above list) since my eye situation and hunting terrain isn't identical to a lot of others out there, but seriously, all of the crap that's sold is amazing.
LD
Well now, very few things are actually necessary if you really think about it. Some of the items and accessories advertised (or "product-placed" as the term goes) may actually be quite useful like you said, but if a show that's sponsored by their manufacturer is crap, I tend to biased towards choosing a similar product from a different brand. And let them know why that happened.
The same thing works both ways, of course.
Loyalist Dave
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I'm sorry ...., I confess the word "necessary" was ill chosen.
What I mean is an item that saves me enough trouble or improves my hunt to the point where I decide I want to be sure to use it in the future. It still might not be "necessary" to be honest, but just "necessary" in my mind's eye from that point forward.LD
Shanghai McCoy
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I figured it out, it's the Scott Lindon's Outdoors show... just him and a dog traveling around and hunting.
Usually it's at various bird hunting preserves so that's probably the ad "angle" but he still seems like a nice guy.
I've seen them, does that have something to do with the OP?
Which is a nice change. The vast majority of cable "hunting" shows are outdoors versions of informercials for products.
I've seen shows where the "hunters" are in a heated, elevated blind, whispering, while they sight in and shoot a large buck at the feeder more than 300 yards away. I mean geesh if that deer can hear you that far way you better be using something that's launching kryptonite!
God Forbid that an actual hunter on cable would point out most of the stuff out there is equal to most of the gadgets sold to golfers. Might help, but probably isn't necessary.
Scent lock
Fiber Optic sights
Gortex
Buck lure
Food lure
Dirt Soap
Cover scent
elevated, enclosed stands
Feeders
food plots
IF all of the above is necessary, then how come wearing wool and linen, cleaned with plain lye soap, and then smoked over a hickory fire, and using a rifle with iron sights, and getting the deer in under 100 yards, I can harvest deer every year? I'm not begrudging folks from optic sights (they're not on the above list) since my eye situation and hunting terrain isn't identical to a lot of others out there, but seriously, all of the crap that's sold is amazing.
LD
Agreed, I've never used anything on that list.
caribou
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Which is a nice change. The vast majority of cable "hunting" shows are outdoors versions of informercials for products.
I've seen shows where the "hunters" are in a heated, elevated blind, whispering, while they sight in and shoot a large buck at the feeder more than 300 yards away. I mean geesh if that deer can hear you that far way you better be using something that's launching kryptonite!
God Forbid that an actual hunter on cable would point out most of the stuff out there is equal to most of the gadgets sold to golfers. Might help, but probably isn't necessary.
Scent lock
Fiber Optic sights
Gortex
Buck lure
Food lure
Dirt Soap
Cover scent
elevated, enclosed stands
Feeders
food plots
IF all of the above is necessary, then how come wearing wool and linen, cleaned with plain lye soap, and then smoked over a hickory fire, and using a rifle with iron sights, and getting the deer in under 100 yards, I can harvest deer every year? I'm not begrudging folks from optic sights (they're not on the above list) since my eye situation and hunting terrain isn't identical to a lot of others out there, but seriously, all of the crap that's sold is amazing.
LD
Out of that list Gortex is the one very usable item in a very damp climate.
The rest is pretty much not essential. I carry a rifle, a knife, a canteen of water and a rag. Whatever else may be in my pack depends on the time of year I'm hunting.
Advertising pays for TV shows, so often I think they hock crap they know is crap, but the show wouldnt go on without them......
I came across a "hunting show" on TV a dozen years back. I tuned in and watched for as long as I could stand it. It had all the things that make a hunting show terrible; loud guitar music, corn feeder deer, whispering to each other after the deer was shot (what's the point? You don't think the massive boom from your rifle has alerted all deer around you?), placing the camera man at ground level on the far side of the deer so you could watch the hunters "discovering the animal", the high fives followed by the crying and weeping "Thank you Jesus! Oh thank you lord!".
I don't think I've ever been so appalled and disgusted. I had a surreal thought that I might be the weird lone exception and this was what other hunters actually were like. Watching this crap was something that other people actually enjoyed? I felt ashamed of my fellow hunters because of it. Turns out, I've never actually met a person who like them so it still leaves me wondering who actually watches that crap?
As a general rule I don't watch hunting shows. The few that I've found that I do like:
Netflix: Meat Eater with Steven Rinella, Life Below Zero (not specifically hunting, but does include it)
Youtube: Randy Newberg
Amazon Prime: Fresh Tracks with Randy Newberg
Life Below Zero is interesting, but I have trouble watching it with very young ears around. They typically don't [bleep] the foul language and Sue and Andy can be quite colorful sometimes.
I don't think I've ever been so appalled and disgusted. I had a surreal thought that I might be the weird lone exception and this was what other hunters actually were like. Watching this crap was something that other people actually enjoyed? I felt ashamed of my fellow hunters because of it. Turns out, I've never actually met a person who like them so it still leaves me wondering who actually watches that crap?
As a general rule I don't watch hunting shows. The few that I've found that I do like:
Netflix: Meat Eater with Steven Rinella, Life Below Zero (not specifically hunting, but does include it)
Youtube: Randy Newberg
Amazon Prime: Fresh Tracks with Randy Newberg
Life Below Zero is interesting, but I have trouble watching it with very young ears around. They typically don't [bleep] the foul language and Sue and Andy can be quite colorful sometimes.
alsaqr
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Real hunting shows morphed into canned hunts and long range sniping contests.
MidRoad
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Gortex?!? You mean you don't wear a Moss suit like Mick Dodge? Or just have wool socks in the snow like Cody lundin? What kind of TV is that?! Apparently know nothing about the outdoors
caribou
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Im cheap, Bones, my $ gos in the bank,...... I dont usually spend Money, but when I do, its Milsurp , or for materials so I can do it myself and do it right.
Really, nothings free...... and for that, nothings cheap, either.......
My usual buys, along the ''hunting equipment'' is the German Flec in Summer and Fall colors is nearly a perfect match for our Tundra. US Snow cammo ,Cotton, NOT Poly, because poly ''glows'',purplish ...... seen that through the lens, I suspect animals can see it too....
Milsurp is cheap, (like me) has subdued colors, often has spare accessories for sale and always has been tested and approved by someone before me. Most is highly weather resistant, and very durable.
Unfortunately for the hunting shows I dont watch, I know little about whats being offered. If I need something 'special' for this Arctic environment, we make it ourselfs.
My wool socks (both pair) are on 365 Ok, thats misleading, I have 2 pair on all year round, just not the same pair.......
The pet peeve Ive seen develop on TV and especially the internet over the years has been '' Team This'' and ''team that''.......I find it weird, just weird.
A couple of the camera men I work with have shown me clips of what they 'shot', so not all is trick or hick, but the general commercialization of the Hunt is also disturbing.
Too bad Bell didnt take a camera along, I think we would all hear the collective drop of our jaws hitting the floor if we saw the Hunting they did.....
Really, nothings free...... and for that, nothings cheap, either.......
My usual buys, along the ''hunting equipment'' is the German Flec in Summer and Fall colors is nearly a perfect match for our Tundra. US Snow cammo ,Cotton, NOT Poly, because poly ''glows'',purplish ...... seen that through the lens, I suspect animals can see it too....
Milsurp is cheap, (like me) has subdued colors, often has spare accessories for sale and always has been tested and approved by someone before me. Most is highly weather resistant, and very durable.
Unfortunately for the hunting shows I dont watch, I know little about whats being offered. If I need something 'special' for this Arctic environment, we make it ourselfs.
My wool socks (both pair) are on 365
Ok, thats misleading, I have 2 pair on all year round, just not the same pair.......The pet peeve Ive seen develop on TV and especially the internet over the years has been '' Team This'' and ''team that''.......I find it weird, just weird.
A couple of the camera men I work with have shown me clips of what they 'shot', so not all is trick or hick, but the general commercialization of the Hunt is also disturbing.
Too bad Bell didnt take a camera along, I think we would all hear the collective drop of our jaws hitting the floor if we saw the Hunting they did.....
Take a look at this overview. Not a complete scientific abstract but interesting nevertheless: http://ecosystems.psu.edu/research/projects/deer/news/2015/the-eyes-have-it . It may give some ideas what to look for color-wise if you're shopping for gear or choosing from what you already have.
Loyalist Dave
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Yes I wear it in my job, but not when hunting. I use wool and when very damp, home made oil cloth. Otherwise when pouring rain, I have to stay indoors, since I use a flintlock.
LD
Doc7
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Steven Rinella's podcast (Meat Eater) is as good or better than his TV show. He is so intelligent and must have a photographic memory. I don't think there is anyone out there on another hunting show that could keep up with him and his peer-reviewed literature references, authors, music, poetry, and grasp of the scientific body of work on the animals he hunts and non-game animals as well.
I have taken to sitting in my living room with a drink and his Podcast on, instead of turning on the TV.
The last two episodes describe a grizzly bear attack he encountered earlier this month. Incredible story.
I have taken to sitting in my living room with a drink and his Podcast on, instead of turning on the TV.
The last two episodes describe a grizzly bear attack he encountered earlier this month. Incredible story.
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