Need a 9mm

Coal Dragger said:

Well I suppose you better know where the steel was sourced from in your choice, as well as any polymers.

For that matter you best make sure all the alloying metals in the steel were US sourced too.

Better make sure the raw ore was mined in the US as well, not only iron ore but any alloying metal ores.

Make sure any polymer parts were made using US made polymer from US sourced oil.

At what point in the supply chain from raw material to finished goods do you draw the line? Your quest is virtually impossible, if for no other reason than you will never know where every last raw material originated.

Have fun agonizing over that.

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This point comes up inevitably whenever someone endeavors to buy something USA made. It's undeniable, but I still think it's important for us to support domestic manufacturers/ producers. Without them, we are really at the mercy of global political winds.

I'm with the op, but I have no problem with Moonies.

Frankly, the process isn't skewed to select a gun based on it's suitability for your personal carry. The only factor we have given so far is cartridge. What about mag capacity, what trigger is preferred, thumb safety or not, slide release, sights? All those directly impact how you use the gun and your dynamic success in being able to "whack" someone or something. Country of origin is about the lowest priority on the potential list. Choosing a gun based on that alone will guarantee dissatisfaction simply because it doesn't have a feature you want or need.

Is this a carry gun concealed, duty pistol, home and ranch carry, recreational or precision shooter, competition, what? No idea. Appropriate function to meet a list of tasks within that specific need is far more important.

One suggestion: SIG P320. Made in the USA. Supplier to DOD and that meets the requirement for manufacturing under the Berry Amendment and Buy American Act from the 30's and 40's. If they don't certify to that then any of the guns recommended so far cannot be trusted to be Made in America.

Guns actually roll marked with American Brand names with "Made in the USA" are coming out of foreign plants and being shipped here for final assembly, fit and finish. The laws governing that allow it. Good luck with your search.

Oolong said:

I'm not agonizing over anything, I'm a man who has standards. I don't buy Turkish guns because i know it finds terrorism. I don't buy European guns because the people making them support a economy that looks down on Americans like barbarians because we don't ban guns like them. Some guy making a middle class to upper class living in a place like that with my money, no, can't have that. But raw materials are produced in such high amounts at such a cheap cost me no buying it wouldn't have a effect on the likely slave labor to produce it anyway.

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Since your user name was made in China, I'm not sure what to make of this sentiment.

I want to see a breakdown of where the parts are sourced from with whatever product you finally deem American made & owned.

Stick with S&W or Ruger.

Tirod said:

Frankly, the process isn't skewed to select a gun based on it's suitability for your personal carry. The only factor we have given so far is cartridge. What about mag capacity, what trigger is preferred, thumb safety or not, slide release, sights? All those directly impact how you use the gun and your dynamic success in being able to "whack" someone or something. Country of origin is about the lowest priority on the potential list. Choosing a gun based on that alone will guarantee dissatisfaction simply because it doesn't have a feature you want or need.

Is this a carry gun concealed, duty pistol, home and ranch carry, recreational or precision shooter, competition, what? No idea. Appropriate function to meet a list of tasks within that specific need is far more important.

One suggestion: SIG P320. Made in the USA. Supplier to DOD and that meets the requirement for manufacturing under the Berry Amendment and Buy American Act from the 30's and 40's. If they don't certify to that then any of the guns recommended so far cannot be trusted to be Made in America.

Guns actually roll marked with American Brand names with "Made in the USA" are coming out of foreign plants and being shipped here for final assembly, fit and finish. The laws governing that allow it. Good luck with your search.

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Are you sure the compliance with the Buy American Act comment?

Same question for the Berry Amendment..?



There are exemptions for COTS items - 'domestic non-availability determination'


In no expert but I deal with FAR / DFAR contracts on a daily basis and have had to do that exact exemption to get past those 'requirements'.

Who besides Sig actually submitted a modular gun as defined in the RFP?

I'm not sure but I don't think anyone else did. The 'domestic non availability determination' exemption is very applicable if no one else did.

Not understanding the entire purpose of the OP's thread-starter.

Too lazy to move his mouse around, point and click? There's this thing called the "internet" where one can actually research stuff without asking anonymous persons of dubious expertise to render their subjective opinions.

If its just about politics, get a CZ, their company, and some of their politicians are fighting the same things you are, plus your getting the best 9mm fighting gun ever to be mass produced.

Oolong said:

In order of importance.
1. The gun has never entered america.
2. The gun shoots 9mm.
3. The gun is decent.
4. It's not funding ******* countries.
5. Bayonet.

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Is there a typo in there? I don't follow

Tony k said:

Is there a typo in there? I don't follow

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I doubt there is and you shouldn't expect to be able to.

Oolong said:

The bayonet is a lie, however the gun should not have been made in any way before reaching the boarder.

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Ok. I got ya.

Oolong said:

I want you to right now type into google "American 9mm" and tell me what comes up, if you don't respond I'll assume you have discovered that major companies have bought the first several dozen pages of google for advertising hidden as reviews.

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I'm not going to vet it for you too.

http://fmkfirearms.com/firearms/pistols/

Highlights for all models:

• Compact Ergonomic Lightweight Design
• Interchangeable Fast Action or Double Action Only Trigger
• California, Massachusetts, Maryland and New York Approved
• Snag Free Design Ideal for Concealed Carry
• Picatinny Accessory Rail
• Shock Absorbing Backstrap
• Chamber Loaded Indicator
• Engraved with or without Bill of Rights
• 100% USA Made

Package:

• 9C1 G2 Pistol
• 2 Magazines
• 1 Front Sight and 2 Interchangeable rear sights
• G96 gun oil
• Lockable hard plastic case
• Owner’s manual.

MSRP: $409.95


SCCY claims to be American owned and made.

Again, I'm not going to vet it for you.

Oolong said:

hi I was looking for suggestions for a 9mm, however there are rules.
1. No colt, ruger, or s&w.
2. It must be made in America by a American company.

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Depending on purpose I would go with either R51 or RP9.

BTW, Oolong, thank you for staying with us throughout this thread. I, for one, hate it when
Elvis leaves the building.

The device you're reading this on is foreign made. As are 99% of the clothes you wear. Get over it, you're going to have to buy foreign made products. There are plenty of options without painting yourself into a corner.

You would take an fmk over a s&w, ruger and colt? What is the world coming to?

Well, if buying American means more than owning fingers, then by all means.......

Oh. That's right, one can own fingers AND a Ruger, but that wouldn't be all edgy and cool.

Diamondback DP9 are 100% American made. At least that's what Diamondback Firearms claims.

Oolong said:

This might do it.

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They're not bad guns from what I've read if you discount the whiners. They have holster support too.

Now you have to decide if buying it supports CA, an anti 2A state, or if buying it supports a company in an anti 2A state and donates money to the pro 2A cause.

jjones45 said:

You would take an fmk over a s&w, ruger and colt? What is the world coming to?

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Freedom of choice?

I'd get something else too but there is a certain allure to buying a decent gun at a decent price from a company that purposely chose an Anti 2A state to build in ...... and with all USA made parts.

Not to further run the thread off the tracks, but insistence on spending one's money only on an entirely U.S.-sourced and manufactured product these days is not only a frivolous thought, it leads to wasting countless hours doing research of consumer goods (unless one is so lazy that one's research consists only of posing questions on the internet to -- again -- anonymous persons possessed of dubious expertise) AND in the end, it's a virtually impossible and ultimately meaningless form of protest.

Vote in every election. Run for office. Write and be published. Become a lobbyist. Be a part of the mass media. But simply being an anonymous citizen buying goods one believes to have been sourced and made within our country's borders doesn't send any kind of message, even if it makes you feel good. It's a global economy, like it or not, and regardless of our present or future presidential administrations or Congress, that's not going to change in our lifetime.

Oolong said:

I like the EDC 9, but the idea that it's magazines will likely be made by mecgar, a foreign company, disgusts me in my soul, like double stack 9mm 1911s are uncharted territory...

I don't want cheap, and I want to learn about as many possibilities as possible before making my decision.

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Mecgar makes mags for a ton of guns, you'll need to do double diligence to avoid them

I think it's an OCD issue.

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