New Kimber problem

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ChasMack

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I just bought the Kimber Ultra Carry II. I fired some reloads and cheap Tula through it. I reload almost all my ammo and the Tula was $7.00 a box so I got some. Anyway I have not fired anything else through it but for the times I fired about 10 Tula and 5 reloads I had failures to go into battery...2 with reloads and 3 with Tula. I am not 1911 savvy so I was wondering if there is an easy fix or does this need to be sent to Kimber?? I will buy a box of some other brand of ammo and see what it does. But what a pain....I use a rubber mallet to push the slide into battery. Any help at all would be appreciated!! For what it's worth this thing is darned accurate when it does shoot!! This is a 9mm by the way.
 
Somehow I think it might be beyond just breaking in. I've never had to use a rubber mallet on any other semi auto I had. I'm not going to struggle through 500 rds after going through this with 15 rds.
 
I posted this in the "My Kimber 1911 dislikes Federal ammo" thread

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/my-kimber-1911-dislikes-federal-ammo-why.827682/

Just a data point, but the WilsonCombatRep on another forum has commented, 50% of their returns for service are fixed by properly lubricating the gun.

If you're new to 1911's, and your gun lube experience is limited to Glock's, these video's may be helpful.

Dave Anderson FMG Pubs "How to Lube an Auto Pistol"


Hickok45 "1911 Cleaning and Lube"


Wilson Combat's Ultima-Lube II


a couple of generic 1911 handling videos that may be helpful

1911 Conditions of Carry


NSSF & Doug Koenig "Handgun Grip"


Tiger McKee "1911 Malfunction Tips"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkZgYb-ReSU
 
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Noticing you have an Ultra, this FAQ point from Wilson Combat regarding compact/short slide guns and ammo selection may be a factor.

https://www.wilsoncombat.com/faqs/

All the mechanical changes are important, but the biggest factor is ammunition selection because it affects both slide cycle speed and the magazine’s ability to lift the cartridge into position for proper feeding. Ammunition loaded with 230gr bullets generate more recoil impulse (especially +P loads) than 185gr loads, and 7 rounds of 185gr ammunition weighs 315gr less than 7 rounds of 230gr ammunition, making the column of ammunition easier for the magazine spring to lift. I hope you see where I’m going here?

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Man, I need to read better. I just noticed you have a 9mm gun, so the above may not be a factor.

On the other hand, 9mm 1911 mags are not completely sorted out.
 
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This pistol-training.com article from the late Todd Green on 9mm 1911 mags may be helpful.

http://pistol-training.com/archives/6982

Edit to add:

I believe while that article seems to show Todd Green selecting Metalform 9mm mags, I believe later in that series of articles he ends up settling on the Wilson ETM 9mm mags.
 
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Another possible issue...

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/kimber-schwartz-safety-failure.156426/

If you depress the grip safety while re-installing the slide after field stripping, you will whack this rod that is sticking up. It's easy to do because many will hold the frame in their strong hand with a normal gripping manner and move the slide on with the weak hand. If you use enough brute force or wail on it enough, you can cause this damage. The instruction manual warns about this, but not LOUDLY ENOUGH, in my opinion, or of the consequences.
 
Well I gave it a good cleaning,will buy other ammo. Not sure about ogive...all I know one was 147gr the other 115gr. Have never dealt with ogive before. I looked it up but...
 
I have a stainless Ultra Carry 9mm. When new, it was very tight and didn't run very well. I thought I lubed it properly, my other 1911s work fine with the same amount, but after a few FTEs, I took it apart, wiped it down, and soaked the rails in FP-10 lubricant. It's got a few thousand rounds through it now, so it'll feed fine even dry, but when it was new it needed to be very wet.
 
I just bought the Kimber Ultra Carry II. I fired some reloads and cheap Tula through it. I reload almost all my ammo and the Tula was $7.00 a box so I got some. Anyway I have not fired anything else through it but for the times I fired about 10 Tula and 5 reloads I had failures to go into battery...2 with reloads and 3 with Tula. I am not 1911 savvy so I was wondering if there is an easy fix or does this need to be sent to Kimber?? I will buy a box of some other brand of ammo and see what it does. But what a pain....I use a rubber mallet to push the slide into battery. Any help at all would be appreciated!! For what it's worth this thing is darned accurate when it does shoot!! This is a 9mm by the way.

Using a rubber mallet to close the slide sounds like an overly long round issue. If the bullet is jammed up in the throat, because it has been seated out too far, then you will get a failure to go in battery.

I did have failures to go in battery with my Kimber Custom II in 9mm. I thought I was going to have to contact Kimber but I continued shooting my reloads. Around the 200 round mark the problem went away. I believe these Kimbers are so tight that they do need an extensive break in period.

There is a myth about overlubrication, and it is false. Unless you pack the barrel with grease, and the action with grease, oiling the heck out of a firearm does not hurt the firearm. It is however, messy as heck.




What I have heard about Tula is that it is steel cased. I recommend you lube your ammunition before firing. Load a couple of rounds, put a drop on oil on the top cartridge, next two, oil on the top. I have shot about 6000 rounds of 45 ACP in Bullseye competition this way and I have done this for my Kimber. I tend to over oil, adding oil through the ports of the magazine after oiling the cartridges as I put them in the magazine. But, lubing the case is good for function. Oiling does a number of things: it makes feeding easier as the round is slick. It also breaks the friction between case and chamber and provides for a more positive extraction, the case pops out of the chamber like it is supposed to do. I think for steel cases, this is an important consideration, you don't want steel on steel contact in the chamber and you don't want steel cases dragging themselves against the chamber during extraction. And because the case to chamber friction is broken, it is easier on your extractor. I have not had a M1911 extractor break, but in auto rifles, this is a real benefit. Oil also reduces jacket/lead fouling in the barrel. I have looked up the barrel and I see it is shiny, which I think is oil in the pores, and it cleans up quickly after a match. And finally, it actually lubes the gun as you shoot. Oil on the cartridge not only goes up the barrel, which reduces fouling, but it also is squeezed back into the action, lubing the rails. During Bullseye matches I often wipe the slide at the rails as I have oil oozing out from the oiled cartridges. This is all for the good for a new gun as you want oil to flush away metal particles, powder particles, etc, etc, etc.


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I currently have a 9mm RIA at a gunsmith to look at the extractor. When I got it new, it was failing to extract. I (after doing the required 500 rounds) send it back to Armscor, where they fixed it. They fixed it so well, the extractor won't even come out, it's so tight. The current theory is (this story is far from over,) that the extractor is so tight, it won't accept rims out of the magazine, and that is preventing it from going into battery.

I would try taking the slide off, and manually wedging a shell casing into place under the extractor. If you have to work really hard to get it in there, it means your recoil spring might also be having a difficult time forcing it into battery, because cartridges aren't going into place under the extractor. Just an idea.

If you need the extractor tuned, it's fairly routine, and I would rather pay a local guy to do it than wait for the back and forth to the factory.

(Never had any problems with my Kimber.)
 
I'd submit the factory magazines might be the problem. For 9mm 1911s, go with Wilson Combat (the ETMs are superb), Metalform or Mec-Gar. Kimber factory mags are notoriously unreliable. The rule of thumb used to be, buy a Kimber, throw out the mags from the box and go buy some Wilson's.

Also -- my experience with sub-compact (3" - 3.5") 9mm 1911s -- the break-in period is real. Use only factory ammo FMJ for the first couple hundred round, 115 grain or 124 grain.

And lube well ...
 
If you shoot crappy ammunition in a high dollar pistol why are you surprised? It is common knowledge that semi autos are ammunition sensitive. Find some NATO spec ammo and some +P and see how that does. I have the same pistol in 45ACP. It is exceptionally accurate and has not(so far) had a FTF with a variety of ammo. I believe the tolerances are much tighter than the GI Colt therefore you use first class ammo. Are you betting your life on cheap ammo? I would never shoot steel cased ammo in a high dollar pistol. A revolver is a different story.
 
No. The more I spend on a pistol, the better I expect it to run out of the box with a variety of ammo.

For my problem, I am running the included Armscor magazine with the extra cut for the .22 TCM, and two Mecgars. One of them, I cut off one coil from the spring. There is no difference in how they run.

For my .45 Kimber, I have been running Wilson 47Ds for years, but I never had any problems with the included magazines. I mostly wanted good 8 rd mags with a bumper pad.
 
Tula? Handloads?
Plunk test them in the chamber with the barrel clean and out of the gun. If they do not go in and out FREELY, then you have oversize ammo or undersize chamber. Try a name brand. Lots of makers think "minimum match chamber" (usually undersize, not just minimum) is a big selling point but it is really just an aggravation to anybody but a 50 yard slowfire shooter.
 
I forgot that I just got an STI 9mm Electra which is similar in size to the Kimber and I bought 3 Kimber magazines as extras. Will try some cheap ammo and see how it works. No steel cased stuff though. I would never shoot steel cased ammo in any pistol I cared about. I believe 45ACP was steel cased during WWll. I recall reading about some problems with it. (As an aside) My cousin in the Marine Corps outdrew and shot a Jap on Okinawa with a 45 so I suppose it worked . I hope you get this sorted out before I get done.
 
If you shoot crappy ammunition in a high dollar pistol why are you surprised? It is common knowledge that semi autos are ammunition sensitive. Find some NATO spec ammo and some +P and see how that does. I have the same pistol in 45ACP. It is exceptionally accurate and has not(so far) had a FTF with a variety of ammo. I believe the tolerances are much tighter than the GI Colt therefore you use first class ammo. Are you betting your life on cheap ammo? I would never shoot steel cased ammo in a high dollar pistol. A revolver is a different story.
Not surprised except for the fact a gun like this should run as well as my other lesser priced ones and as I stated...Handloads and Tula was all I had on hand at the time.
 
Not surprised except for the fact a gun like this should run as well as my other lesser priced ones and as I stated...Handloads and Tula was all I had on hand at the time.

Somebody who knows more than I will have to comment. but, I do not think you have a gun problem, I think it is an ammo problem. I think the pistols we have are very well made and are ammo sensitive. I think if you shoot the good stuff you will be delighted with the Kimber. Kimber bashers are invited to respond, in a new thread maybe.
 
I'd submit the factory magazines might be the problem. For 9mm 1911s, go with Wilson Combat (the ETMs are superb), Metalform or Mec-Gar. Kimber factory mags are notoriously unreliable. The rule of thumb used to be, buy a Kimber, throw out the mags from the box and go buy some Wilson's.

I've never had problem with Kimber's 9mm mags. Their .45 mags are not good - no argument there.

One of the mags that came with my Defender 9mm was problematic, think it was MFR defect, but it was replaced and have had good luck with them.

Not sure what mags came with my DW 9mm, but didn't work well and bought two Wilson and one Kimber mag, no issues with those.
 
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I've never had problem with Kimber's 9mm mags. Their .45 mags are not good - no argument there.
Both are most likely made by CheckMate.
One of the mags that came with my Defender 9mm was problematic, think it was MFR defect, but it was replaced and have had good luck with them.
Most likely made by CheckMate
Not sure what mags came with my DW 9mm, but it didn't work well...
Most likely made by CheckMate.
... and bought ... and one Kimber mag, no issues with those.
Also most likely made by CheckMate.

CheckMate makes OEM mags for several 1911 manufacturers.
 
If you are reloading 147 grain bullets use WSF (Winchester Super Field) powder. It's clean burning and will not leave powder granuals in the chamber. I had the same problem with my Kimber UCC II in .45 ACP. Chamber is tight and any powder residue will cause the failure to go to battery.
 
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