What are the current junk guns brands??

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The Taurus 92, especially the older ones, are identical to the Beretta 92. For the first few years they were even made by the same employees, same machines and tooling, same building, etc.

It’s the only Taurus that isn’t a Taurus.
Weeeeeelllll....the PT92 started out as a near copy of the original M92 Beretta, but both companies have tweaked the guns to the point where there is little to no parts interchangeability now. Even the magazines from my buddies recent production PT92 weren't compatible with my 92fs. The Taurus also exhibited many more cheap-looking castings and MIM bits. He already had it sent back once because the rear sight snapped in half the first time he shot it. And that hollowed-out hammer.....ugh. Ive examined older PT92s which seemed much better finished.
The M85 revolvers they churn out today are pale shadows of the older ones as well.
As for the High Point c-series pistols, I am impressed by their functional reliability, but, being blowbacks, they recoil hard for any giving caliber. There are also too many pictures on the interweb of their zinc slides being cracked clean in half.
For my money, Savage is the only mass market gunmaker whose stuff is as good now as it was 20 years ago. Kudos to them! I just wish they would start making handguns again. I REALLY want a new production M1907 .45......:what::)
 
Just because......

My son did a CJ class in highschool and the teacher assigned a project about "guns in crime". A lot of the kids just cut and pasted from the internet and most "Crime guns" reported were Glocks......which was of course BS. The Boy looked through some actual studies and found a trend from the last few decades that mentioned the Ring of Fire guns in crimes and had numbers. One Philly study had high numbers on the Davis model 38 a .380 semi auto specifically. When he asked me to help him find some info on these I went to the gun safe and he got more info than he wanted.

Yes those are "custom grips" made by the original owner from the finest old dresser drawers scrap. It does still work, I have actually carried it, and gosh ain't it shiney?
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Back in the day, that was a 'throwdown' gun, usually taken from one hood, to be planted on the body of another if not a 'good' shoot........
 
Naw, WAY back in the day that was what we called IJ and H&R top breaks....."throw downs".... generally stored with one or two fired cases in them, one under the hammer. Kid must have been a wild shooter.

Before anyone freaks over my having carried the darned thing in a small zippered belt pouch, (about the right size for a pack of smokes in a plastic "cig safe") I did so with the chamber empty, but the firing pin cocked. Not fast into action, but beat not having a gun.

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Apparently many posting here have never been acquainted with or don't understand the traditional category of "junk guns:" typically those produced mostly of pot metals and retailing for under a C-note (though these days with inflation, perhaps maybe a little north of that) and distinguished often by a flash-coating that could in no way be mistaking for a quality hard-chrome finish ...

As noted, Lorcin, Davis, Raven, Jennings, Bryco and Jiminez were common ... but Taurus? Seriously? You guys crack me up sometimes ... maybe some of you should get off the computers and out of mom's basement more often, go to the shops and ranges and see what the common folks are buying and shooting.

As an aside, in my experience, most of the Taurus-bashers have never owned one, they're simply regurgitating the drivel they've absorbed from the internet. I'm not here to defend the brand (although I've owned a few), but stick to the topic of junk guns, please.
 
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I carried a KelTec P11 for quite some time, put a lot of ammo through it, and aside from some initial break in issues, she ran just fine for me, same with my PF9 I carry now (avatar pic ).
I've shot Hi Points (9 and 40), and they're not junk. Boat anchors and ugly as sin, but good shooters. And way back when I lived in Utah, I had a Jennings that shot quite nicely when fed good ammo.
The others mentioned, Ravens, RGs, and Davis deserve their reps.
 
Apparently many posting here have never been acquainted with or don't understand the traditional category of "junk guns:" typically those produced mostly of pot metals and retailing for under a C-note (though these days with inflation, perhaps maybe a little north of that) and distinguished often by a flash-coating that could in no way be mistaking for a quality hard-chrome finish ...

As noted, Lorcin, Davis, Raven, Jennings, Bryco and Jiminez were common ... but Taurus? Seriously? You guys crack me up sometimes ... maybe some of you should get off the computers and out of mom's basement more often, go to the shops and ranges and see what the common folks are buying and shooting.

As an aside, in my experience, most of the Taurus-bashers have never owned one, they're simply regurgitating the drivel they've absorbed from the internet. I'm not here to defend the brand (although I've owned a few), but stick to the topic of junk guns, please.

Taurus produces a lot of junk. They also produce a lot of serviceable handguns. It’s a gamble.

I shot out a Rossi revolver in under 300 rounds with mild-moderate loads. The extractor star was chewing itself up because of poor metal treatment and quality.

Had a heritage rough rider that locked up after a shot 20 rounds or so of 22 mag out of it. Again, cheap pot metal and poor metal treat. It was also so inaccurate the front sight had to be nearly folded over itself to the left just to hit paper. That is how it came back (sighted in) after I sent it to Taurus for repair.

You don’t see these lemons at the range because they died, got pawned off, are never shot, or insanely enough some guys will give the gun a pass because they only spent x amount of dollars on it so what do you expect?

And none of this even begins to discuss the fact most of these guns and parts are coming from South America. Parts and Service are spotty at best and turn around is sloooow. Some guys have had to wait over a year for a simple part.

And wasnt there just a final judgment on a class action for some Taurus pistols because they were so bad?

I have a pt45 that spent most of its life secured in a car. It wasn’t pampered but neither are any of my pistols. It basically fell apart and the barrel even started to rust so bad there is a hole in it.

NONE of my other pistols have ever started to do that although to be fair once I realized the gun was disintegrating I just let nature take its course.

In contrast, I carry a gen 3 26 daily and for 16 hours a day. I might be mowing in 100+ heat, crawling under a house in freezing temps, getting sweat, sand, and mud all over it, taking hits to the ground, etc

After 3-4 years of this the only wear is finish wear from the holster. Shoots very straight and has never malfunctioned that I can remember. I’m betting my mp 2.0 would/will be the same.

I’ll try to upload some pics tomorrow
 
Taurus produces a lot of junk. They also produce a lot of serviceable handguns. It’s a gamble.

I shot out a Rossi revolver in under 300 rounds with mild-moderate loads. The extractor star was chewing itself up because of poor metal treatment and quality.

Had a heritage rough rider that locked up after a shot 20 rounds or so of 22 mag out of it. Again, cheap pot metal and poor metal treat. It was also so inaccurate the front sight had to be nearly folded over itself to the left just to hit paper. That is how it came back (sighted in) after I sent it to Taurus for repair.

You don’t see these lemons at the range because they died, got pawned off, are never shot, or insanely enough some guys will give the gun a pass because they only spent x amount of dollars on it so what do you expect?

And none of this even begins to discuss the fact most of these guns and parts are coming from South America. Parts and Service are spotty at best and turn around is sloooow. Some guys have had to wait over a year for a simple part.

And wasnt there just a final judgment on a class action for some Taurus pistols because they were so bad?

I have a pt45 that spent most of its life secured in a car. It wasn’t pampered but neither are any of my pistols. It basically fell apart and the barrel even started to rust so bad there is a hole in it.

NONE of my other pistols have ever started to do that although to be fair once I realized the gun was disintegrating I just let nature take its course.

In contrast, I carry a gen 3 26 daily and for 16 hours a day. I might be mowing in 100+ heat, crawling under a house in freezing temps, getting sweat, sand, and mud all over it, taking hits to the ground, etc

After 3-4 years of this the only wear is finish wear from the holster. Shoots very straight and has never malfunctioned that I can remember. I’m betting my mp 2.0 would/will be the same.

I’ll try to upload some pics tomorrow
Heritage handguns aren't produced by Taurus. So we don't see "these lemons" at the range because they died, got pawned off or are never shot or the owners give the guns a pass because they only spent "x" amount of dollars on 'em so what do I expect?"

All righty then. You've wasted a few minute sof typing proving absolutely zero about how Taurus products suck. Make a credible case and explain just how your PT-45 "basically fell apart and the barrel even started to rust so bad the is a hole in it" and we'll feature at least a case of ONE ...
 
I'm curious also how your pistol just "fell apart by itself" and rusted a hole. You must have some terrible heat/humidity and maintenance habits for such a gun to go that bad. Even then, its a sample of one.

I've owned 5 Taurus semiautos and they've all functioned well. So...
 
Keltec is a brand I want to like, but after buying a new PF9 that wouldn't fire even the first mag without a malfunction, I consider them a junk brand.
I carry a Kel-Tec PMR 30 and after firing more than a 1000 rounds through it have yet to have a malfunction with this pistol...interesting.
 
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One Taurus and one glock

Taurus was secured in a vehicle
This is the only pistol that hasn’t held up to that ‘treatment’

Yes sample of one but 2 Tauruses, a Rossi , and a heritage arms. All Taurus owned and I had a bad experience with them all.

The one exception was an old pt92 but it was made right after the switch so I guess it really counts as a Beretta.

I’m soured. Obviously some others have had better experiences but don’t post that Taurus bashers are living in mommy’s basement and don’t know their head from there bleep.

They have a bad rap for a reason
I hear far far far fewer issues with the sccy 2 or hi points, both of which are very inexpensive
 
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I have owned two Taurus handguns, a .357 Magnum(Don't remember the model) and a stainless .44Spl. 5-shot with a 3" barrel and adjustable sights.
The .357 was horribly inaccurate and spit lead from the cylinder gap. It was impossible to keep 5 shots in the black as close as 7 yards. It got traded off pretty quickly.
The .44Spl has been an absolute joy to own and shoot. Probably close to a thousand rounds through it with no issues whatsoever.
A fun and accurate revolver that I trust so much that I have carried it for self defense on occasion.
I suppose I may have gotten lucky with the .44Spl but if I ever see another at a good price, I will probably buy it.
Not much interest in any other Taurus handguns for various reasons but those little .44Spl revolvers are in my experience worth having around.
 
OK, So I have the following Taurus guns:
-Model 94 22lr
-Rossi Plinker 22lr
-M85 .38
-M85 Ultralight
-M605 .357
-M905 9mm
-M66 .357
-Tracker .44
-Raging Bull .454
-Pt111 Gen2
-PT709

All have been great except for:
-the 905 (bought used) is very picky on ammo, it has a couple tight cylinders that need to have the rounds nudged in, and extraction is sticky. It has not went back to the mothership yet.
-the 94 has a very heavy trigger in DA.
-On the small frame revolvers, the crane screw will walk out slowly. You need to make sure it is tight before each range trip. This happens on my Smiths too, but not as much. A little Loctite blue would fix this, but it is not a huge problem for me.

So either I am a really lucky guy, or there are a lot of folks saying "me too" with Taurus issues. I haven't sent one back yet (and honestly, I am apprehensive about it) so I can't speak to their CS. I will find out when the 905 goes in. But for initial quality and reliability, they have been better than Kimber (wrong sight height installed on gun from factory), RIA (failure to feed out of the box), Smith and Wesson (637, the paint (or whatever) started coming off after <1yr of carry) and Hi-Point (firing pin channel galled against firing pin causing failure to fire after <500 rounds.)
 
Apparently many posting here have never been acquainted with or don't understand the traditional category of "junk guns:" typically those produced mostly of pot metals and retailing for under a C-note (though these days with inflation, perhaps maybe a little north of that) and distinguished often by a flash-coating that could in no way be mistaking for a quality hard-chrome finish ...

As noted, Lorcin, Davis, Raven, Jennings, Bryco and Jiminez were common ... but Taurus? Seriously? You guys crack me up sometimes ... maybe some of you should get off the computers and out of mom's basement more often, go to the shops and ranges and see what the common folks are buying and shooting.

As an aside, in my experience, most of the Taurus-bashers have never owned one, they're simply regurgitating the drivel they've absorbed from the internet. I'm not here to defend the brand (although I've owned a few), but stick to the topic of junk guns, please.
Yeah, this must be a generational thing. Taurus is not a premium brand, but it's also far above the level of old "Saturday Night Special"junk guns. Now, they may make some lemons, but that isn't the same thing.

Junk, in my opinion, is almost as likely to injure the shooter as a target. I'd say Davis, RG, Jiminez, there are some others. Not sure what to call Hi Point, since they apparently seem cheap as dirt, but they've put enough into making the guns safe and functional in general.
 
To go a bit further, I think we need to separate the lower tier guns from the "junk" guns. Lower tier, IMO, would be things like Taurus, Llama, Kel-tec, etc. I have no burning desire to have any of them, but plenty have worked well for people over the years. If I needed something immediately, I would choose one of those sight unseen before I would take an RG, Lorcin, or Davis.
 
Remember the OP said "current." Rg, Davis, Lorcin, and Raven are all long gone for better or worse.
Not trying to hate on Taurus. Ive owned 5 older ones and they were all pretty good guns- but, like most gunmakers, their new production has gone downhill- close to the bottom of today's market.
I do presently own and love a CT9 carbine, I just wish all their guns were this good.
Aside from my overall positive shooting impression with a single HiPoint C9, my only other first hand experience in this category was a Cobra .38 Derringer. It was a nickel example with rose grips and fit and finish was actually quite nice. Its only downside was the vicious recoil and the 20lb trigger pull. Wouldn't call that one junk at all, just not fun to shoot.
 
I have owned a Kel-Tec P-11 & a Taurus PT 111 Millenium G2. The Kel-Tec was fine for what it is. The only problem I had with it was I messed up the magazine release trying to make it where the magazines would drop free ( I should have removed the mag catch before I sanded the inside of the magwell). I could have gotten another mag catch from Kel-Tec but instead I opted to buy a metal one from a guy at KTOG. He milled them out himself. The only other thing about it was it didn't like aluminum cased ammunition but once I knew that I just didn't shoot aluminum cased ammo with it.

The Taurus has been fine. The Jennings, Davis, Bryco, Raven guns never seemed right to me so I have never owned one of them. We have a ton of good options today. I suspect quality firearms are probably more affordable now than they have ever been before. I do believe a companies customer service reputation is as important as what products it offers though.
 
I have a Phoenix HPA 22.cal that runs like a sewing machine. Shoots more reliable than many guns costing three times a much. It cost me $85.00 and liked it so much bought a second one.(Now sell for around $125.00) I use them for Pocket Pistol training. Fun to shoot, reliable, loves all kinds of standard ammo. I like to take a Standard paper range target and place 9, Three inch reactive targets and quickly draw and shoot as fast as possible to get all targets shot in Point and shoot skills. This training as been a huge asset for training. Lousy at first, but now can do very well. Small, short barrel. Try it. See how good you are. Cheap training and lots of fun. Compete with a friend. Train, Train, Train. Plus I love the feel of this 1911 style gun.

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Remember the OP said "current." Rg, Davis, Lorcin, and Raven are all long gone for better or worse.
I think we have the surplus market and the Chinese to thank for that. Years ago at a gun show, I remember seeing Norinco Tokarevs in 9mm for $150 NIB, used CZ 70's in good condition for $100, Makarovs etc. Price wasn't that much more than a Lorcin maybe, but the manufacturing and quality blew their doors off.
 
You'd be much better served with a surplus iron curtain pistol than any of the new breed of cheap pistols. They are harder to find these days but a far better value.
 
Junk is in the eye of the beholder. But you know the saying, "One man's junk is _____________!" I will answer by saying, generally speaking, the brands I TRUST (and just for fun I'll but them in rank order) are FN, GLOCK, SIG, HK, Beretta, S&W, Ruger and.....that is it. But I have a friends who SWEARS by Taurus, because his experience has been good. And that is OK.
 
I have had 2 Taurus revolvers and they both didn't work out good. On one, the barrel was bent and on the other one the hammer wasn't going forward far enough to hit the firing pin for reliable primer firing.

I sent the one with the bent barrel back and I fixed the other one myself.
I sold both of them but not at the same time.
 
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