Ruger Hires Doug Koenig

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Jim Watson said:
Doesn't take much tweaking of a 1911oid to get into IDPA CDP/ESP or Single Stack. Their "target" models have adjustable sights and ambi safeties. All I would do is change to a F.O. front sight, add a mag well funnel, and adjust the trigger pull downwards. Assuming reliable function, of course.

I don't see why an American could not be honed to shoot SSP and Production as well as any other Plastic Pistol. Especially if the shooter were getting paid to.
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Maybe add some checkering to the front strap, depending on how far Ruger wants to go.

The American would probably work well as a Production/ESP/SSP. I made Expert in SSP my first time out with one. But Ruger will have to make parts. I don't think there is any aftermarket support at all for that firearm.
 
Among other things, they'd have to make a long-slide version of the American. 4.2" pistols are not what many/any of the national-level guys are shooting in serious USPSA competition. IDK about IDPA.
 
ATLDave said:
Among other things, they'd have to make a long-slide version of the American. 4.2" pistols are not what many/any of the national-level guys are shooting in serious USPSA competition. IDK about IDPA.
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They'll want to add a red dot cut while they're at it.
 
For CO? Sure, may as well. Unless they've got mechanical stuff crammed way in high in the slide, that shouldn't be hard.

But for regular old Production, a sub-4.5" gun isn't very advantageous.
 
While they might just slap a Ruger slide on an STI frame, Ruger has the manufacturing capability to do 2011-style frames themselves if they wanted, and the patents have now expired (hence CK Arms and Phoenix Trinity making 2011 frames now).

If they could come out with a 2011-compatible gun for closer to the $1000 mark I'm sure they'd sell quite a few of them.
 
ATLDave said:
Also, look at some of the tricked-out "Performance Center" revolvers that S&W sells that are sort of gamer guns without any particular game.
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Yes didn't S&W release a 7 shoot PC revolver??? For what purpose?

S&W is the only place for a competitive revolver except IDPA. Ruger is going to have to come up with a couple of 8 shot 5-6 inch barrel double action revos. And there will need to be a supply of aftermarket items that competition shooters want to have. I like my S&W revos but out of the box PC revolvers need about 3 to 5 hundred dollars worth of trigger and misc tuning to make them game ready. I'm open minded towards Ruger but they have a lot to do before they start to make a dent into S&Ws competition market share which is about 98% of revo shooters in USPSA and ICORE.

Not to change the subject but it would really be nice if S&W and/or Ruger would put pressure on USPSA to have an optical revolver class in addition to iron sight. I have 3 competition revolvers that will allow me to shoot all 4 ICORE divisions, both steel challenge revo divisions, USPSA revo and IDPA. I have to make compromises especially with my classic/Limited 6 gun because it has a 4" barrel to allow me to shoot IDPA but it is possible to shoot all divisions with only 3 guns. My point being that most revo shooters live with the fact that they need to own more than 1 revolver to keep up shooting various matches.
 
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thomas15 said:
I'm open minded towards Ruger but they have a lot to do before they start to make a dent into S&Ws competition market share which is about 98% of revo shooters in USPSA and ICORE.
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Just to be clear USBP379 I think having Ruger competing with S&W for the competition revolver market is a good thing for revolver shooters for many reasons and there really isn't a negative as far as I can tell. But, before we can pop the cork there are things that need to be settled.

I'm a relative competitive revo piker but have a modest 3 competition revolvers, all S&W. All of them have a relatively considerable amount of post sale pistol smith work. Roughly $500.00 each gun. Not just a lighter/smoother trigger but also cylinder work, added ball detents, sights, crown and so forth. Then there are cylinder latches, grips, optics, additional high quality moons (the 2 or 3 moons that come with the guns I don't even use).

So Ruger, in addition to having an established line of several competition revolvers made available and proof that they are good shooters, will need to have accessories and service to give the competition shooter a good reason to make the switch from S&W. I'm not sure there is a big enough market to do this, I hope Ruger see that there is and I hope they make a move in a positive direction.
 
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I see no reason why Ruger cannot (or won't) make a "Match Champion" version of the new Redhawk. It should also be no real stretch to make a Redhawk in 9mm that runs on clips.

Ideally I'd love to see Ruger come out with a modern (aka inexpensive) revolver line based on the LCR. This would be more or less GP100 size (even Redhawk size) and would be a 6-shot 4" platform.
 
I don't know about horsing around a 49 oz Redhawk vs a 43 oz 627 in USPSA Revolver.

I, too, was surprised when the popular LCR did not lead to a LMR sixshooter. Maybe they did not want to compete with themselves on the GP.
 
Hmm... a lot of LTD and Open guns are well into the mid-40-oz range when empty, and they add a lot more than 8 bullets of weight when loaded! OTOH, a revolver shooter does have to pump that iron up and down a lot during reloads...
 
Who needs a light pull? You get your Captains of Crush workout in while you shoot your stages! :neener:
 
Oh, yeah, a light trigger pull is one of those crutches you don't really need; except that somehow the winners usually have them. And are willing to seat Federal primers below flush with two opposing strokes on the hand priming tool.
 
We'll likely know more about Ruger's shooting team and future shooting products this coming week. It sure is fun to guess, however.
 
With all the new firearms Ruger has been marketing, why is a rase gun so hard to imagine ?
 
USBP379 said:
Link?
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Is this the first you are hearing about the survey?

I don't remember how it was put out but there, it was either an email from ICORE or posted on their website or the official ICORE facebook. It was right after the IRC. There is some discussion on the revo-nation facebook scroll down to Dec 11. As far as I know the results of the survey has not been disclosed.

Not to change the subject but have you seen the results of this years postal matches?
 
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Yep. News to me.

Does this mean there's also a USPSA survey out there?
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I haven't heard of one. Ruger was a sponsor of the IRC and at their display was asking shooters for their 2 cents. The survey was a follow-up to that experience. I didn't attend the IRC so that is all I can say about it. Of course this is limited to revolvers which is not a big aspect of USPSA.
 
Again (for revolvers) there are several threads in the revolver section of Brian Enos forum regarding Ruger and these give you an idea of what revolver competitors think about Ruger getting into that market. There is in some respect frustration with S&W in the way they treat customers and what they offer.

For me personally I think it's great (Ruger) but what I really want to know is how is Ruger is going to convince those who have literally many 1000s of dollars invested in their S&W competition revolvers to make the switch.
 
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