6br and .22br

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Creating a new thread for the BR precision shooters among us. Hopefully this will appeal to those of us who have access to longer distance ranges, issues specific to a growing niche within the shooting community, load development, equipment, best groups and distances reached, ad infinitum...
 
I am lucky to have a very good range that has a 1000 yards down to 25 yards and being a life I use it year round. target rifles .22- 22 ppc-221 fireball- 222rem-223 rem-220 swift imp- 6x47- 308-300 WM. having several model of some. eastbank.
 
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I am lucky to have a very good range that has a 1000 yards down to 25 yards and being a life I use it year round. target rifles .22- 22 ppc- 222rem-223 rem- 6x47- 308-300 WM. having several model of some. eastbank.

How far have you reached with the 6x47? That would be fun-debating between 6x47 and 6BRX. Both should do well at 1000
 
300 yards, 3/4 to 1" groups with no wind. its built on a rem 40x action with a hart SS barrel. eastbank.
 

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I've been messing with the 6br, on and off, for past 40 years or so. Beginning with a few short range (100-300 yd) rifles for benchrest competition. One of which is shown in attached photo, built by Ed Shilen on his DGA action. Mainly the 6br in this and other rifles served me pretty well but increasingly it was swimming upstream against the 6PPC current. So I finally ditched the 6br and my win/lost ratio improved considerably. More reciently the 6br has found new life in 600 yard competition and has done well for me with a rifle built by Terry Leonard (in other photo) with BAT action, Leonard wood stock, Krieger barrel, Leupold, etc. I think Norma had a lot of gall to adopt the 6br Rem. and renaming it after themselves. They get no respect from me. DSC_0084.JPG DSC_0227.JPG DSC_0086.JPG
 
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6x47- 21" barrel-.80 muzzle-1-14 twist. here is my 22ppc 77 ruger, not rare but hard to find. and pic,s of my .221 remington classic in .221, I have not worked with the fireball yet, but I am looking foreward to it. eastbank.
 

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Very topical thread for me as I have a 6 Dasher in the works. The plan is to use it in F Open. Mid range to start. Long range later.
 
6x47- 21" barrel-.80 muzzle-1-14 twist. here is my 22ppc 77 ruger, not rare but hard to find. and pic,s of my .221 remington classic in .221, I have not worked with the fireball yet, but I am looking foreward to it. eastbank.

Aesthetically, the old style walnut stocks appeal to me but I have recently given over to laminate. You have discriminating taste and a great assemblage. Looking them over closely, your pursuit of quality, taste and appearance are readily apparent.

I see your point regarding the PPC. Thought about it but didn't want to retool. In striving toward that end, I will be building a 6BRX because I can use my 6br dies and 6br brass. After looking at national competitions, my inclination was to go with the PPC.

Agree on the matter of Norma. And to make it worse, they started producing 6 Dasher brass. Their first lot, in the experience of my gunsmith and others in my group, has proven dismal.-base and hardness issues, according to him. From what I have been able to glean, once the original sole distributor (bullets.com) of the brass ran out, Norma supposedly fixed some issue(s) and that distributor ended up selling 100 per boxes for $78, vs. ~$115. So, there you go. I witnessed that sell off myself. And my gunsmith threw his in the recyclables and went back to Lapua.

Now bullets.com has "F-class 6 Dasher brass" selling at ~$60 per 50. Hmmm.

I would appreciate hearing about a Fireball ball build if you proceed with that. It is a very interesting cartridge. There's something fascinating about pushing a bullet that small at over 3000 fps.
Thanks for the pics.
 
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Very topical thread for me as I have a 6 Dasher in the works. The plan is to use it in F Open. Mid range to start. Long range later.

A lot of interest in Dashers locally and marginally deferred my next build of probably a 6brx while at my range are going your way.

I wrote elsewhere regarding Norma's Dasher brass:
Their first lot, in the experience of my gunsmith and others in my group, has proven dismal.-base and hardness issues, according to him. From what I have been able to glean, once the original sole distributor (bullets.com) of the brass ran out, Norma supposedly fixed some issue(s) and that distributor ended up selling 100 per boxes for $78, vs. ~$115. So, there you go. I witnessed that sell off myself. And my gunsmith threw his in the recyclables and went back to Lapua.

Now bullets.com has "F-class 6 Dasher brass selling at ~$60 per 50.

Dasher has really excelled in the recent years and after my smith built one for himself, everyone else wants one. What are your plans for brass?


You say midrange at first-goal to go to 1000? Mind mentioning twist, barrel brand, length, optics etc. as you proceed.

First day out with a new build...perfection itself. To me it's on par with watching the sun come up as I sit with a cup of fresh brewed Costa Rican in my hand. Sorry to digress, but I recall my first time out with my 6br and being very surprised at its accuracy. Do please keep us apprised.
 
You're a builder?
no, just a shooter. stuteville precision is building it for me on an impact action

I wrote elsewhere regarding Norma's Dasher brass:
Their first lot, in the experience of my gunsmith and others in my group, has proven dismal.-base and hardness issues, according to him. From what I have been able to glean, once the original sole distributor (bullets.com) of the brass ran out, Norma supposedly fixed some issue(s) and that distributor ended up selling 100 per boxes for $78, vs. ~$115. So, there you go. I witnessed that sell off myself. And my gunsmith threw his in the recyclables and went back to Lapua.

Now bullets.com has "F-class 6 Dasher brass selling at ~$60 per 50.

Dasher has really excelled in the recent years and after my smith built one for himself, everyone else wants one. What are your plans for brass?
i've had a bunch of that in my shopping cart for weeks. just can't bring myself to pull the trigger. is it any good?
 
Dasher has really excelled in the recent years and after my smith built one for himself, everyone else wants one. What are your plans for brass?

You say midrange at first-goal to go to 1000? Mind mentioning twist, barrel brand, length, optics etc. as you proceed.

I was going to use Norma's 2nd iteration of Dasher brass with the longer necks, however, I'm still hearing they may be on the softer side.

There's a guy that's hydroforming 6 Dasher from Lapua 6 BR brass. My gunsmith is investigating this and will be talking to him at Shot Show. Otherwise, there's the standard method of forming a false shoulder then fire forming to final dimensions, which I want to avoid doing.

Barrel - Bartlein MTU contour 5R rifling 26" 1:7.5 twist
Action - Kelbly's Panda single shot
Optics - Kahles 10-50x56mm
 
yeah, that guy is buying all the br brass coming into the country. kind of a pain for people who want to shoot br
 
kinda. no personal experience yet, but the primal rights dude sells some sort of follower/spacer for br/dasher use in normal AICS mags. i think his username is orcan or something on forums
 
I was going to use Norma's 2nd iteration of Dasher brass with the longer necks, however, I'm still hearing they may be on the softer side.

There's a guy that's hydroforming 6 Dasher from Lapua 6 BR brass. My gunsmith is investigating this and will be talking to him at Shot Show. Otherwise, there's the standard method of forming a false shoulder then fire forming to final dimensions, which I want to avoid doing.

Barrel - Bartlein MTU contour 5R rifling 26" 1:7.5 twist
Action - Kelbly's Panda single shot
Optics - Kahles 10-50x56mm


.60 per at DJs. Whidden sells die, just too "Flintstonian" for me. My smith will allow me to use his shot out BRX barrel to fireform, so that saves on my barrel. Have read criticisms of false shoulder method, citing it as unnecessarily involved. Your smith is likely to return next week with your answer. If cost were not a factor, I would be willing to try DJs Brass service
 
6x47- 21" barrel-.80 muzzle-1-14 twist. here is my 22ppc 77 ruger, not rare but hard to find. and pic,s of my .221 remington classic in .221, I have not worked with the fireball yet, but I am looking foreward to it. eastbank.

Enviable collection you have there.

This is a .204 Howa on a Myrtle wood stock with a Leupold 6.5-20x44. Had the stock maker model it after a Dakota, I think their Classic. Don't recall. Oil finish. Forearm tip from now banned-for-import Brazilian Rosewood that I sat on for over thirty years- likewise, grip cap spacer.Case hardened grip cap with last name initial. I had the stockmaker split the blank is such a way that each side presents an altogether different look. I remember long ago reading that high end stocks are partially judged on whether they use bookmatch or contrast. Haven't seen it mentioned since so dunno. Just a fun project to do. "Graduated" now to 6mm and haven't looked back.
lft.jpg rt facing rifle.jpg
 
no, just a shooter. stuteville precision is building it for me on an impact action


i've had a bunch of that in my shopping cart for weeks. just can't bring myself to pull the trigger. is it any good?

One man's experience, occasional "unexplained" flyers by a really experienced shooter/builder. The builder/gunsmith/competition shooter used 1st batch brass, threw the brass away, rebarreled to another cartridge.

I was going to use Norma's 2nd iteration of Dasher brass with the longer necks, however, I'm still hearing they may be on the softer side.

There's a guy that's hydroforming 6 Dasher from Lapua 6 BR brass. My gunsmith is investigating this and will be talking to him at Shot Show. Otherwise, there's the standard method of forming a false shoulder then fire forming to final dimensions, which I want to avoid doing.

Barrel - Bartlein MTU contour 5R rifling 26" 1:7.5 twist
Action - Kelbly's Panda single shot
Optics - Kahles 10-50x56mm

My understanding is that they double stamp the head, making it harder, but still use a different allow than Lapua. Differences arise.

Another is now trying the "new and improved" second batch. I will talk to him when I get a chance. It steered me away, towards BRX. No new tool-up, since I can use my 6br equipment.


About the false shoulder method: just what I have been reading by Some-they see it as unnecessary, preferring the other method. Don't know for sure.
 
yeah, that guy is buying all the br brass coming into the country. kind of a pain for people who want to shoot br
Lapua needs to plug that up by making it themselves...then everyone is happy. Well, except of course the hoarder.
no, just a shooter. stuteville precision is building it for me on an impact action


i've had a bunch of that in my shopping cart for weeks. just can't bring myself to pull the trigger. is it any good?


You know, taliv, been thinking about this. If it were me I would wait it out and keep apprised of shooter's results with the new lot. I don't see them getting any more expensive. Or, buy one box so you can opt out easier. Just a thought.

Interesting note-a friend of mine got so disenchanted with 1st run brass that he gave me a sealed bag of them and went back to Lapua.
 
View attachment 775919 View attachment 775920 View attachment 775921 View attachment 775922 Here is another of my 6mm rifles, this one built on a Pre-64 M-70 action by master stockmaker Gary Goudy and featuring Goudy's legendary skill with a checkering too. Wood is French walnut and bottom metal by Ted Blackburn.

Beautiful man. Wanted to do the skeleton cap on my MyrtleWood .204 but concerned about screwing it up. Is that inletted, do it yourself, tools used? What kind of wood? Machine or hand checkered?..............jussayin' I know craftsmanship when I see it. Let me know please.

I did deepen the cheek rest on that rifle to get a shadowline and a flair at the end. Really adds.
 
Holy crap that's nice
There are "checkerers" out there that would be hard-pressed to do that small of L.P.I. and closeness of wrapped panels. Truly perfection. There is one nationally known engraver/checker living around here, but he has some apparent need to have baskets of fruit laid before his feet by maidens...and "I should have it done soon...say 3 years, most.:eek:
 
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