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I would suggest getting the Boretech chrome plated jag. Keeps you from getting false positives. Sold on Amazon.
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I would suggest getting the Boretech chrome plated jag. Keeps you from getting false positives. Sold on Amazon.
Agree 100%. Good copper removers are rough on good brushes. We don't need to get the bore squeaky clean anyway. That is never my intent anyway. Watch a Benchrest match where they clean after each group. They don't scrub the barrel raw, they just casually clean it. I have used both Shooters Choice and Butches for this at matches. Both work well. Eliminator is good stuff. I would be happy with any of them, but have been using the Eliminator for some time. I still don't try to get barrels squeaky clean, just clean enough. You don't want fouling to build up a lot, but you don't have to get it all out.
Ouch, chrome is very hard. I'd be concerned about using them. I'll just buy more bronze brushes and brass jags.
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Ouch, chrome is very hard. I'd be concerned about using them. I'll just buy more bronze brushes and brass jags.
Well, I was wrong in my assumption. Not chrome plated. See description from BoreTech
Bore Tech innovative proof-positive rifle patch jags eliminate the annoying false indication of copper fouling that is common with all traditional brass jags when using copper removing cleaners. All proof-positive rifle patch jags feature a proprietary alloy and secondary treatment process, making them 100% brass free and 100% barrel safe. This alloy is as soft as brass but boasts an exceptional tensile strength to prevent bending and snapping under the force of a tight patch
I just grabbed some nylon ones from cabelas 3 for $7. I just about had a heart attack from sticker shock but using the sweets I figured it would make sense to use the nylon ones. I did see a stainless brush and jags and thought who in their right mind would shove stainless steel in and out of a barrel?Ouch, chrome is very hard. I'd be concerned about using them. I'll just buy more bronze brushes and brass jags.
NOW YOU TELL ME!!! LOL!!
I figured by the time I paid shipping id just get them local. Oh, and I got 3 brushes for that price not one. lol. if it was one for $7 I would have asked what they were smoking.
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Good copper remover is hard on brass brushes and jags. I usually spray mine with some type of degreaser before storing them away. I still buy them by the dozen. You save a little that way.
Every time, and yes, by the dozen.
Where are you guys buying brushes and such by the dozen? I only ever see them single or a dozen of multiple calibers.
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When this thread began I checked the drawers and cabinets in my gun cleaning bench and found these different solvents, solutions and salves I've tested and compared over the years. Probably missed or discarded another dozen or so not shown here. Some work better than others so y'gotta try'em all to be sure which works best.
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One more question guys. I found some eliminator on sale and going to grab some tonight. Do i need their special jag or can i use the brass one i already have? I think i'm going to just pick eliminator up and give the sweets back to my buddy, I'm so afraid it will trash my rifle. Does normal boretech eliminator clean out carbon and copper or do i need all 3 of their products for the different fouling's?
Boretech's product description claims that Eliminator does it all. When I use it, I start out with 2 cycles of a carbon remover (Slip 2000 carbon Killer presently) with bronze brushing. The first cycle or 2 of Eliminator generally has a small amount of dark stuff on the patch. I think that starting out with a carbon remover gets that fouling out faster and allows you to tackle the copper sooner. I must say I've never used only Eliminator from the get go.
Your brass jag will work, but the wet patches will turn blue instantly because the Eliminator sucks copper out of the jag. The downside to that is that your dry patches will always be light blue, aka false positive. I've learned to deal with that, but plan on getting some Boretech jags some day.
Your brass jag will work, but the wet patches will turn blue instantly because the Eliminator sucks copper out of the jag. The downside to that is that your dry patches will always be light blue, aka false positive. I've learned to deal with that, but plan on getting some Boretech jags some day.
Thanks! They want like $7 for their 22cal jag i thought you people are high but if its absolutely needed i guess ill have to pay for them.
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I use the solution specific for carbon and the solution specific for copper and forego the do-all eliminator solution.
As @Offfhand says, give it a try. Odds are it won't be the last product you buy
so i take it the carbon and the copper solution will do the powder fouling also?
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The carbon solution will take care of the powder fouling.
Get the 16oz bottle
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You can buy them by the dozen at places like Sinclair International or Brownells. They are still not cheap but you can save a little and they stock a good quality brush.
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Amazon as well
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Any discussion of jags should be a non-starter for the simple reason that top quality cleaning rods have an integral jag, as shown in attached photo. You aren't likely to find them in local gun shop but can be ordered from Ivy Rods, do it yourself or have it done.(See photo) Of course this goes without saying that the rod(s) must be caliber specific and that a second rod is necessary for brush attachment. So best to have a pair of rods for every caliber you shoot. And take good care of your rods the same as your guns.
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Well i'm going to try some eliminator and see how it does. I figure ill try the 4oz bottle and see how it does and if i like it ill grab a larger bottle and then some of their other solvents. I've got my nylon brushes, cotton patches, bore guide and just going to use a plastic jag for now cause i just cant bring myself to pay almost $8 for the boretech jag.
@Offfhand I only have one caliber rifle 223rem and a 44 and 45-70 that get done with a shotgun rod. I have a coated rod i use for 223rem.
@Offfhand I only have one caliber rifle 223rem and a 44 and 45-70 that get done with a shotgun rod. I have a coated rod i use for 223rem.
Well I ordered a small bottle of eliminator and cleaned my go to rifle tonight I figured would be just filthy. I had to use a mop to wet the barrel cause my patch holder broke and it was a mop with brass under it and it turned the mop blue!! Oh yeah, this stuff really works!! I said crap I got a steel mop for this purpose so ran the other one through and got some blue on it and let it sit for 5min or so and brushed it like the directions say with a nylon brush and then wet again for 5-10min and came back and 4-5 blue patches and it was dry so I repeated this process and got a little more blue and said good enough for me!
I will say this and I thought this was very odd. I took an old powder jug and cut a hole in the bottom to slide on the barrel and catch the patches and when I ran the wet patches through to wet the bore and they sat in the old powder jug that was rinsed out with hot water those patches were covered in blue. I'm wondering if the powder residue in the jug had something to do with this?
I am sold on this for the no smell, seemed to get some copper out but not sure how well.
I will say this and I thought this was very odd. I took an old powder jug and cut a hole in the bottom to slide on the barrel and catch the patches and when I ran the wet patches through to wet the bore and they sat in the old powder jug that was rinsed out with hot water those patches were covered in blue. I'm wondering if the powder residue in the jug had something to do with this?
I am sold on this for the no smell, seemed to get some copper out but not sure how well.
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