Blackpowder bullet molding

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Brandon Smith

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Hello,

I'm a beginner in molding my own roundballs for b/p. I'm looking for a little direction on what to buy and where. I do not have anything yet. I shoot shoot 3 different calibers, .44 (.451), .50 (.490) and .58 (.570).

Again, i just need to understand what i need and where i should buy.

Thank you in advance for any help.
 
Here is a good place to start:
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https://www.trackofthewolf.com/

Dixie gun works is another. both have "catalogs" that are excellent sources of information.
 
I’ll give a look. It’s just I don’t really know why I’m looking for. Maybe there is a book on bullet molding I can get.
 
I have always had great results with Lee Precision aluminum round ball bullet molds. Do a search for them on Amazon. I don't think they make a .570 mold however. Might be a .565. Lots of folks swear by the aluminum molds, others swear at them . Aluminum molds just take a bit of care in using. I have cast thousands of balls with several of them over many years and have yet to wear one out.

Welcome to the club. Good luck and have fun.
 
Look on YouTube for a few videos. I wouldn’t rely on just one, but watch a few.

I personally use lee precision molds. They are inexpensive and seem to do a nice job.

I also use a Lee Precision Production Pot IV.
Works well and can be up to temp for casting in about 20 minutes.

I have not read it myself but I have heard that the Lyman casting manual is very good.
 
Another vote for the Lee molds, especially for starting out, I've used Lee's for over 20 yrs and still have some of my 1st ones and use them, that being said, I also have RCBS and Ideal steel molds, bought on Ebay for less than the price of a new Lee, so also check Ebay for good used, a used steel mold would be hard to damage and all of mine were in mint condition. As has been said, be sure of the bullet size you need before investing in molds, also get pure lead for b/p, salvage yard cable sheathing or roof vents are much cheaper than new lead, hard lead is harder to load and tends to be less accurate unless used in cartridges. Stay away from wheel wts,(great for high velocity modern pistol, hard metal) unless the stick on mag wheel kind, they are pure lead but have a thick rubber adhesive coat and smoke badly when melting.
 
You may want to cast a .454 for the .44 the .451 is to small for some revolvers and Ruger Old Army wants a .457.
You know you may be right... i've used both but i have found with the power amount i use the .451 is a bit more accurate. I use 30 grains blackhorn. But i will def take that into consideration.
 
Another vote for the Lee molds, especially for starting out, I've used Lee's for over 20 yrs and still have some of my 1st ones and use them, that being said, I also have RCBS and Ideal steel molds, bought on Ebay for less than the price of a new Lee, so also check Ebay for good used, a used steel mold would be hard to damage and all of mine were in mint condition. As has been said, be sure of the bullet size you need before investing in molds, also get pure lead for b/p, salvage yard cable sheathing or roof vents are much cheaper than new lead, hard lead is harder to load and tends to be less accurate unless used in cartridges. Stay away from wheel wts,(great for high velocity modern pistol, hard metal) unless the stick on mag wheel kind, they are pure lead but have a thick rubber adhesive coat and smoke badly when melting.

Is it ever wise to say buy balls from your local basspro or whatever and melt them down to what you want?
 
Look on YouTube for a few videos. I wouldn’t rely on just one, but watch a few.

I personally use lee precision molds. They are inexpensive and seem to do a nice job.

I also use a Lee Precision Production Pot IV.
Works well and can be up to temp for casting in about 20 minutes.

I have not read it myself but I have heard that the Lyman casting manual is very good.

Do you use the 110v or 220v?
 
For years I have cast using a ladle. A few years ago I bought a Lee bottom pour electric pot and mounted it on a small piece of ply. with handles so that I could move the hot pot and pour the lead out when changing from pure lead to harder and back. I sill smelt salvaged lead in the gas pot.
The bottom pour is faster and the oxidation is less and skimming slag is minimized.
 
FOR MOLDS i'd go w moose molds. great quality great people to work w/. you get what you pay for. for a pot to start w I would go w a lee elect. pot. i cast minnies 58 cal and RB up to 72 cal w a lee 20 lb bottom pour no problems lead local scrap yard.
 
OK first, beware of your lead source. For round ball, you want as close to pure lead as possible, because the molds are made for that, and because you swage a revolver bullet into the cylinder (as I'm sure you know) and alloys a) don't shrink as much when they cool so can cause problems with patched round ball in rifles, and b) are harder when trying to use them in revolvers, and c) when cutting off the sprue, the extra lead formed above the ball when the bullet is cast..., some alloys make that cutting very hard to do and hard on molds. So don't take the local scrap dealer's word for anything..., check any and all lead that you get. It doesn't take much tin or antimony mixed with your lead to get it harder than you wish.

IF you do end up with a bunch of alloy don't fret. You can soften it a bit by mixing it with pure lead, AND you can use it to shoot patched round ball, you just have to work up a load with a thinner patch OR get a mold that is small, say like .005 smaller. I know of several fellows who use alloyed lead for patched round ball. They have access to recovered handgun slugs, which are pretty hard, but they work fine on deer and on paper.., one fellow uses a thinner patch, and another uses a smaller mold.

Lyman or other steel molds are by far the best..., but they cost more than 2X what the Lee molds cost. While Lee molds work well, they are aluminum, so you must read the directions that come with them, AND treat them gently. One common mistake is when preheating the aluminum molds folks sometimes heat them open, instead of in the closed position. Uneven heating of the two sides can cause problems with casting and wear them out fast.

Bag molds are the ones that you see that look like a pair of steel pliers. They were the original DIY mold for the rifleman or the pistolero. You use a very small iron pot or just melt the lead in the ladle, and pour one or two balls from that lead. They are good molds once you learn to use them, but you cut the sprue after you let the ball completely cool, not when opening the mold as you do with the modern molds. The handles can get pretty warm with a bag mold too. I do a lot of bag-mold bullets for my traditional black powder rifles, and muskets, but I'm also at historic sites doing bullet casting as a demonstration for the tourists..., and plugging in a lead melting pot just won't do. ;)

Casting machines are great, and save a lot of time. The basic ones are merely electric melting pots. Some of the basic ones act as a ladle, and some you dip from with a ladle. They aren't too expensive AND they have thermostats so when you get the lead to the right temperature, they hold it there (using a fire and a kettle and a bag mold in the old-time way, the lead temp varies, and you can get wrinkled balls or frosted balls :confused:) Basic electric lead melting pots are ok for pouring a dozen round ball, but if you're doing a huge batch as one often does for handguns, especially when using a gang-mold (makes more than two bullets at a time) ..., the basic electric lead pot may hold too little lead. The standing, bottom pour styles tend to hold a lot more lead, AND are much simpler to use, though the cost goes up a little, or a lot if you buy a large model. They tend to be more convenient, especially if you need only to use pure lead or one, simple mixture for the alloy of your choice.

I hope this helps to answer your questions.

LD
 
I cast .454 round balls for my bp revolvers.
I have all kinds of lead from x-ray room remodels. Close to pure if not pure.
If you were local I could give you some to help you get started.
 
I use Lyman molds and handle. I also use the bottom pour Lee Production Pot. Once you get the mold temp up it goes pretty quickly and it feels great to know your shooting home made balls.
 
Yep RugerBob, that is a perk.
I ended up getting over 1000 lbs. of dead pure sheet lead off MRI rooms (new construction)
when RFIs and change orders hit the field. Not to mention overage on the order due to installation procedures.
I only had to follow lead handling protocols on site, and they were happy for me to haul it off.
Drove home those nights without the headlights seeing the road.:D

Is it ever wise to say buy balls from your local basspro or whatever and melt them down to what you want?

No, it would not be wise IMHO. You could order the correct size on-line more cost efficiently if need be.
Brandon, where are you out of?
RB looks like East Coast. I'm West and would make the same offer to get you going after you're set with gear.
I've been lucky in that I've only ever had to buy tin (for alloy bullets, not for muzzle loading), so I'm willing to help
get a new guy started.

JT
 
What is your cost per pound?
I actually haven't bought in a while, I lucked into some X ray shielding for $.50 per Lb., loaded up a few yrs back, I also retrieve from our club Cowboy action range and from the berms after a heavy rain, the jacketed bullets are filled with nearly pure lead, plenty soft enough for B/p use. Most cowboy bullets are pretty soft also.
 
I get my lead from the local metal salvage yard. $.50 per pound. They let me pick through the lead bins and take what I want. Usually find the old flashing or lead pipe. Sometimes some sheet lead too.
I just wired 3 Nuclear pharmacies last year and one of the managers gave me a pile of lead shielding materials.
I melt my lead in a cast iron pot in the coals of a camp fire, and use a ladle to pour into my Lee molds.
It's a fun hobby.
 
I cast for most of my handguns, an 8x57 (light loads), and for my BP stuff. I get my Lee molds off www.midwayusa.com . These guys are great, not always the cheapest, but prompt and always seem to have what I want, though a recent attempt at bore butter showed "Seasonal Item, Out Of Stock". Seasonal? Well, I got it from Amazon. :D

I used a Lee 10 lb pot with the bottom pour for 35 years until it bit the dust and bought another one recently from Midway. This one will, no doubt, outlast me.

I found some pure lead on Amazon and have it on order for my 360 grain Lee Minie balls. For RB, I just use any ol' alloy and it works. They'll load a little easier in a revolver cylinder if cast of pure lead, but it's not necessary for accuracy. Pure lead, though, is absolutely necessary for Minie ball.
 
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BTW, that lead I ordered was $15 for five pounds, a bit high, but I have no other sources than the internet. There are no metal scrappers near me closer than maybe 100 miles. I live in the boonies, but can shoot off my back porch and shoot deer and hogs in the woods behind my house. :D

I've taken to ordering "reclaimed shot" from Amazon. It's cheap and easy to manage as you just pour in what you need. It's hard alloy, though, and won't work in Minie ball. Fantastic stuff for RB and my other smokeless guns, 9x19, .45ACP, .38, .357 magnum, etc. I can get it for about a dollar a pound which ain't bad. I used to just collect it for free out of the backstop and the club gun range, but then I moved.
 
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