I know Remington's firearms are questionable but the ammo?

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My brother borrowed my two Winchester 1300 20 gauges to take his scout troop to the range to earn their shotgun shooting merit badges. He reported that both shotguns had problems which surprised me as they've been 100% for several hundred rounds of Federal bulk ammo since I got them. He said that one had a bad jam when a case head separated from the hull and left it in the bore, and that the other locked up for an unknown reason. I thought maybe the bolt had somehow jumped off the slide action arms but after I took the trigger group out I still couldn't get the bolt to move rearward. I punched the bore and a separate case head and hull came out. Have any of you seen this before? I find this exceptionally dangerous... it would be quite easy for an inexperienced shooter to eject the base and leave the hull as a bore obstruction.

I reported my results and he said that's the third one he had using this ammo. Remington gun club.

I encouraged him to contact Remington. Hopefully they will want it back.
 
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I won't buy their .22 ammo, but back in the day their Golden Sabre was a decent 9mm round.
I thought it was quite hard to screw up shotgun ammo until now.
 
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Like Odd Job I won't buy Remington's rimfire ammo and have pretty much have avoided any kind of Remington ammo for quite some time now. Most of the shotgun shells I have are Federal and Fiocchi as they both have been very consistent in their quality and very reliable over the years. Please let us know if you hear anything back from Remington in this matter.
 
All the manufacturers have gone to crap metal for bases on their hulls on the cheap lines of shells; As bannockburn has said, Federals and Fiocchi have been the best over the years. I think Fiocchi actually still uses brass for their low-base Exacta line. As the 1300's worked fine with Federals, I'd recommend continuing to use Federals. I buy Fiocchi flats for 4-H for Trap, but when I need some extras, I pick up Federal 100 packs at work and they have been fine.
 
I have been shooting Remington Gun Clubs for years as well as reloading the empties. Must be all right for me as I was either high overall or second by a tenth of a bird average in two pretty big summer leagues. Never had a problem with a factory load other than once in a great while they are a little sticky to extract. Not as bad as the Federals, however.
All my Remington firearms are "pre-whatever" that made them "bad". Same with my Marlins and Thompson Centers.
 
I've been exclusively reloading Remington hulls for years. I have yet to have a hull failure.
The cheapo gun club hulls are good for 6-8 reloads with my 1 oz. loads @ about 1100. The Remington STS may be the best shells around, period. Gun club hulls are steel base, some are plated Brass, and some are left plain steel. I have many thousands of gun club hulls, and a few hundred of the STS as well. I separate them and use the STS for 1 1/8 loads.
I won't buy Remington Golden bullet rimfire ammo. WOrst I have used. Their shotgun ammo is good stuff IMHO.
 
I have gone through many thousands of Gun Club shells in both 20 and 12 gauge. I reload the 12 gauge hulls and get 6-8 reloads like RICKLIN11 says, out of them. I don't reload the 20 gauge as I have several thousand older AA hulls that are still going strong as reloads.I have seen multiple cheaper Winchester hulls loose the case head, and a few Federal, but I don't recall seeing any of the Remington that has done it until now. Bad batch? Isolated case? At least no one was injured. At the very least you should pursue the issue with Remington, might get a free case or 2 of ammo as replacement.
 
Remington Corelokts get sticky and don't want to eject easily from my Marlin 336y. Federal, Winchester and other imports like Herters, PPU, etc don't. Could be my rifle, could be the ammo.

Then again, my Remington 700 really likes Remington ammo... go figure...

I guess that's why it's good to practice with what you're gonna use at home, in the field, or on the job.
 
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Remington's "target" ammo is even worse than the Golden Bullets--pure junk.

But I've never had a problem with their Shur-Shot shotgun ammo.
 
I have had this exact failure happen with Remington Gun Club ammo in my Browning BPS. The incident was maybe three years ago. Never once had such an issue with Federal or Estate 12 gauge target loads out of probably a couple thousand.
 
Typical Remington bashing BS. ALL ammo makers experience problems. I have seen Winchester premium duck loads with no powder - just a very soft plop from the primer. Federals with no lip in the base for the extractor to grab. A box of Estate loads they had about half of the shot rolling around in the box - the hulls had been cut to short for the crimp to close the hole. And a box of Remington that after it failed to dispatch a cripple on the water also failed to penetrate the cardboard when we tried to pattern it. And various and sundry other issues. In all cases the manufacturer made good when contacted. Ammo is made on high speed automated machines. A problem isn't always caught immediately. About like when the canning machine gets out of time at Budweiser and dumps all the beer on the floor.
And there is nothing "questionable" about Remington shotguns. I said shotguns. An odd remark from someone with a Winchester 1200.
 
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Typical Remington bashing BS. ALL ammo makers experience problems. I have seen Winchester premium duck loads with no powder - just a very soft plop from the primer. Federals with no lip in the base for the extractor to grab. A box of Estate loads they had about half of the shot rolling around in the box - the hulls had been cut to short for the crimp to close the hole. And a box of Remington that after it failed to dispatch a cripple on the water also failed to penetrate the cardboard when we tried to pattern it. And various and sundry other issues. In all cases the manufacturer made good when contacted. Ammo is made on high speed automated machines. A problem isn't always caught immediately. About like when the canning machine gets out of time at Budweiser and dumps all the beer on the floor.
And there is nothing "questionable" about Remington shotguns. I said shotguns. An odd remark from someone with a Winchester 1200.
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This isn't "Remington bashing." My second firearm purchase after the BPS was a Remington 1911 R1. It was a very good gun, just too big for my hands. But this? More than one of us has had this exact failure with RGC target loads. None of us have had this particular failure with Estate or Federal.
 
Most of my problems with factory ammo have been with Remington. It's not all junk though. I like Remington Reduced Recoil 12 GA buckshot and slugs. Also 38 special target wad cutters and 158 gr swc std velocity. The 158 swc is very accurate in all my guns.
 
I buy Remington ammo all the time and do fine with it, especially the Golden Bullets. I hope none of you buy them. More for me.
 
I have been very unimpressed with the Core Lokts I have bought in the last few years. The box of 30-06 was all over the place with a rifle that shots small groups with almost anything else. The 35 Rem current production is 3 or 4 notches below the stuff I have from 10+ years ago. I generally avoid Remington everything.
 
Stopped by the big-box-outdoor store today to look at ammo. Scrolling through the boxes, I took a peek at some corelokts in 30-06. The brass was very tarnished looking and dull... Very similar to old surplus ammo or reloads.

I know that's just appearance and isn't the biggest deal, but that's what all my Rem 30-30 ammo looks like that sticks in my lever gun. I never remember Remington being that bad (I switched to Federal for the most part a couple years ago). With competition ramping up, I hope Remington bargain ammo isn't slipping by the wayside.

But, when on sale, I love the UMC handgun ammo from Remington.
 
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My brother borrowed my two Winchester 1300 20 gauges to take his scout troop to the range to earn their shotgun shooting merit badges. He reported that both shotguns had problems which surprised me as they've been 100% for several hundred rounds of Federal bulk ammo since I got them. He said that one had a bad jam when a case head separated from the hull and left it in the bore, and that the other locked up for an unknown reason. I thought maybe the bolt had somehow jumped off the slide action arms but after I took the trigger group out I still couldn't get the bolt to move rearward. I punched the bore and a separate case head and hull came out. Have any of you seen this before? I find this exceptionally dangerous... it would be quite easy for an inexperienced shooter to eject the base and leave the hull as a bore obstruction.

I reported my results and he said that's the third one he had using this ammo. Remington gun club.

I encouraged him to contact Remington. Hopefully they will want it back.
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Is it happening to all of the cheap ammo? I bought a load of Winchester Black Box on sale for trap, and I have one bad shell out of 100 on the average. Since I bought a pallet of it, I am just carrying extra loose shells when I go to the line.
 
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Like Odd Job I won't buy Remington's rimfire ammo and have pretty much have avoided any kind of Remington ammo for quite some time now. Most of the shotgun shells I have are Federal and Fiocchi as they both have been very consistent in their quality and very reliable over the years. Please let us know if you hear anything back from Remington in this matter.
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A serious question here. What type of shooting are you doing with the Remington .22s? Is this long range precision shooting or something else?

The reason I ask is that I have never had any problems with their Golden Bullets at all for blowing up pop cans and smacking casual targets, and I pretty much hunt exclusively with their Vipers and Yellow Jackets.

Now the new guns are a different story. I'm glad my Marlins are all pretty much from the 50s and 60s as are my two 1100s. The new guns I've shot are pretty poor quality.
 
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A serious question here. What type of shooting are you doing with the Remington .22s? Is this long range precision shooting or something else?
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It pretty much was any kind of shooting, just couldn't get Remington .22LR ammo to run in any of my guns. Countless failures to feed and eject; with a 10 round magazine I would be lucky to get two consecutive shots off before another jam occurred. And this happened in guns that worked perfectly well with any other brand of ammo, be it CCI, Winchester, Federal, or Aquila.
 
With regard to the thread title, I think all new production firearms are questionable. Today's business model demands an extremely fast production to market time. I've noticed in a variety of forums that all brands seem to have a higher number of warranty service returns than in the past. The area of competition among brands is which has better customer service and faster warranty service turnaround time.
 
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ChanceMcCall



It pretty much was any kind of shooting, just couldn't get Remington .22LR ammo to run in any of my guns. Countless failures to feed and eject; with a 10 round magazine I would be lucky to get two consecutive shots off before another jam occurred. And this happened in guns that worked perfectly well with any other brand of ammo, be it CCI, Winchester, Federal, or Aquila.
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Was this bucket of bullets ammo?

Those are their seconds. I have recently seen CCI pushing seconds through rural distribution chains at lower prices and the gun clerks at one of those stores tell me that only about 85% of the rounds function correctly. (No first hand knowledge - I haven't needed to buy .22 ammo for a very long time and maybe the older ammo I have had better quality control.)

CCI ammo that I have used does seem to cycle all the time even in difficult guns. For some reason however, it has never been as accurate (especially Stingers) as the Remington Golden Bullets or Vipers or Yellow Jackets in the guns I use. I do own a fair amount of their Mini Mag ammo, but rarely use it. Stingers are the only ammo used in my NAA .22LR mini revolver however. If I am using that gun, the range is likely going to be contact distance anyway and I want what little extra oomph I can get.
 
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Never bought Remington's bulk pack .22s; mainly just bricks of the Golden Bullet ammo and 50 round boxes of the Yellow Jacket, Thunderbolt, Viper, and Target ammo. Have never encountered any CCI rimfire ammo that could be called "seconds" as all of their ammo that I have used has been first rate in terms of reliability and accuracy. Same with Wolf Match Target too.
 
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