SBR/ATF Question

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I bought a short barre rifle. It took two ATF stamps and it took a bit of time for the paperwork to go thru.

I was looking for TSA approved carry case for it at a well respected gun store. The clerk at the store informed me that I can not take a SBR across state lines without prior notifying the ATF. Does anyone know if this is true? This is the first time I have heard this and it doesn't make any sense to me.

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I bought a short barre rifle. It took two ATF stamps and it took a bit of time for the paperwork to go thru.

I was looking for TSA approved carry case for it at a well respected gun store. The clerk at the store informed me that I can not take a SBR across state lines without prior notifying the ATF. Does anyone know if this is true? This is the first time I have heard this and it doesn't make any sense to me.

Norm
Why did it take two stamps? Is it suppressed?

Yes, it's true. Yes, it doesn't make any sense.
 
For people who don’t want to click on links: Yes, every NFA item (except silencers and AOWs) requires an approved Form 5320.20 to take across state lines. And if that move is permanent, you need to do it for AOWs and silencers too.

And I also want to know how your SBR required two stamps. Did you buy it from an individual who resided outside of your state? That would require two different Form 4s and therefore two different tax stamps, but that’s not commonly done because of the extra cost and hassle.
 
For people who don’t want to click on links: Yes, every NFA item (except silencers and AOWs) requires an approved Form 5320.20 to take across state lines. And if that move is permanent, you need to do it for AOWs and silencers too.

And I also want to know how your SBR required two stamps. Did you buy it from an individual who resided outside of your state? That would require two different Form 4s and therefore two different tax stamps, but that’s not commonly done because of the extra cost and hassle.
It’s not like it’s a link to a story, it’s a link to the form he might need. :)
 
I frankly don't understand why people bother with SBR's any more. A "pistol" with an "arm brace" would fit the bill quite nicely, and save a ton of hassle and paperwork. This is why SBR's should be deregulated. That whole category is a joke. Recent developments have made the NFA moot in this regard.
 
Thanks everyone I should have been more clear. The gun is a PWS. I have two short barrels for it, a 300 blackout plus a 223. There was a discussion when I ordered two barrels if I needed two stamps one for each barrel. As it turned out I did not. The reason I have two stamps for this gun because I also have a suppressor for it. Regarding crossing state lines....I'm not referring moving/relocating across state lines....I'm just referring to crossing state lines for a few days to go shooting. An example would be taking it to TOP Gun in Arizona for training. It doesn't seem logical that I need to pass federal background check to own the gun then be restricted then be restricted to transport within the state of Pennsylvania.?
 
The reason I have two stamps for this gun because I also have a suppressor for it.
The silencer is a separate firearm. If you refer to your SBR as a two-stamp firearm, people will assume it's a single firearm that requires two separate tax stamps, like an integrally-suppressed SBR. But it sounds like your SBR is just a one-stamp firearm.

Regarding crossing state lines....I'm not referring moving/relocating across state lines....I'm just referring to crossing state lines for a few days to go shooting.
With an SBR, it doesn't matter. You need to have an approved Form 5320.20 to just step across state lines with it, even for a second.

However, you don't need any federal approval to cross state lines with your silencer unless you're actually moving residences.
 
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I frankly don't understand why people bother with SBR's any more. A "pistol" with an "arm brace" would fit the bill quite nicely, and save a ton of hassle and paperwork. This is why SBR's should be deregulated. That whole category is a joke. Recent developments have made the NFA moot in this regard.

Because an arm brace would look stupid on this.

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I frankly don't understand why people bother with SBR's any more. A "pistol" with an "arm brace" would fit the bill quite nicely, and save a ton of hassle and paperwork. This is why SBR's should be deregulated. That whole category is a joke. Recent developments have made the NFA moot in this regard.
I have both SBR's and AR pistols with "arm braces"...........the SBRs are by far the better platform.
While you may think it a joke, I think spending $200 on an arm brace is silly vs a $200 tax stamp.

Moot? Not even close.
 
I frankly don't understand why people bother with SBR's any more. A "pistol" with an "arm brace" would fit the bill quite nicely, and save a ton of hassle and paperwork.
I've shot plenty of "pistols" with the arm brace. They're a convenient work-around to the SBR laws, but they're not a true replacement. With an SBR I can use any kind of stock I want, and I can adjust it easily depending on how I'm shooting it at the time (or adjust it for different shooters). An arm brace is far less convenient in that regard.

Before I got my first SBR, I had already been through the tax stamp process six times. So a seventh time wasn't a big deal. And considering the cost of a decent arm brace, the $200 tax stamp isn't that much more. So the only extra issue is crossing state lines, and I rarely ever do that. And when I do, I'm flying somewhere where I wouldn't be taking my guns anyway.
 
I frankly don't understand why people bother with SBR's any more. A "pistol" with an "arm brace" would fit the bill quite nicely, and save a ton of hassle and paperwork. This is why SBR's should be deregulated. That whole category is a joke. Recent developments have made the NFA moot in this regard.

True, but you can’t add vertical grips on pistols with arm braces. Also the braces are often near the price of a tax stamp with regular collapsible stock.
 
I have both SBR's and AR pistols with "arm braces"...........the SBRs are by far the better platform.
While you may think it a joke, I think spending $200 on an arm brace is silly vs a $200 tax stamp.

Moot? Not even close.

The SB15 PDW brace is a game changer, and in many places, there's another good reason for pistol vs. SBR aside from form 5320. Here in CO, for example, long guns are regulated differently with regard to transport in/on motor vehicles, mostly DOW regs. Handguns can be carried any way you like, though, including locked and loaded, uncased, on the passenger seat or holstered/slung on a bike or ATV.

I can make an SBR any time I want and just file a form 2, but I still see merit in the brace, especially the PDW brace, because my 07/02 doesn't exempt me from those transport regulations.

However, while it's a viable option on ARs and some other firearms, there's certainly those where it would look silly or just not work, especially vintage wood stocked critters like Dave's.
 
Here in PA, SBSs, SBRs, and applicable AOWs are also treated as pistols for the purpose of carry and transport.
 
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